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My first Landcruiser. Amazon 4.2 Diesel 1998 vintage. A Revelation.

Odin 8

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Easy story to start, but it goes back a long way. I have always had a love of Land Rovers but it has come to an end. I have spent time on farms, I have soldiered in the REME and since I was 20yrs old, ( 0ver 30yr ago ), nearly always run an old Land Rover with a tool box in the back to earn a living as a mechanic.
My last Land Rover was a 1986 coil sprung 90. I bought it scrap in 2003, shoe horned a 200Tdi into it and used it for 15yrs without issue until it fell apart, I wore it out with two hundred thousand on the clock. The Father-in-Law had parked up his 2005 Discovery III so I bought that ... What a pretentious piece of overrated junk. I could not believe how bad them things are. I could not repair or fix it without complications, issues, grief, expense and the need of the local LR independent dealer. Four years of motoring grief but I tried. I can honestly state that there was never a journey, long or short, when that thing did not throw up a fault code.
Well, having worked on Toyotas, Nissans and Mitsubishis, the ease of working on them was apparent, servicing, timing belts etc. No problem. Then back in October 21, a chap brought an Amazon 4.2 in to me for a major service and timing belt. Not only was it easy to work on, but after taking it for a test drive, it was a revelation. I declared that, 'This has to be the best car that I have ever driven' !
So I got on to Ebay and started to search and eventually found this one close to me with a second hand motor dealer who has six Amazons on his forecourt. So I rang him up and paid him a visit, but before we looked at his stock, I showed him in the back of my Discovery;- 'I have always run Land Rovers and this is what I expect from them'. In the back was a big truck battery, jump leads, tool boxes, a tractor door, a wheel, logs, a sack of my own grown potatoes and other things of purpose. Furthermore, the tow bar with twin sockets, one for my Ifor Williams 3.5 ton trailer and the other for my 16ft Giest Caravan.
'I see what you mean but I bet you have always had trouble with this, they are like christmas trees'. He replied.
Anyway, we did a deal, the Disco has gone and I am now the proud owner of an Amazon. It drives every bit as good as a Rolls Royce except I can see more. The air con worked, the radio worked, it went up the gears and back down again. The engine purrs. No warning lights came, articulated lorries moved out of the way to let me pass, but, this is the best bit. When I came to stop, it has a proper parking brake lever that quite simply pulled on and the two and a half ton of Toyota stood still, without screaming and warning lights flashing!
We went out on a job to a farm in to a muddy field near a barn to work on a bale grab. Parking brake on, engine off. Removed the bent parts off the bale grab and put them into the back of the Toyota without a fight with a stupid door locking system, then back to my workshop. Easy.

What I have come to realise is that Land Rover has become a big car without any utility purpose what so ever. The Amazon is a TRUCK when I want it to be, but also it can be a very nice car fit for taking my wife and family out.
 
Welcome to the group here, you’ll find it first of all, friendly, very knowledgeable and helpful, I believe the only must is you need to post some pics up of your truck!
 
Welcome to the forum and LC ownership. Of course, no one on here will believe you've actually bought one until pics are provided.:icon-biggrin::thumbup:
 
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Yeah, don't bet your life on that hand brake... :lol: ..Thats got to be the Funniest, Honest, Most direct quote ever posted Mike, Made me Laugh, :lol: ... Am i guessing its a 100 series Odin's bought ?....
 
Is this where "The King's" stock is coming from ? 175077125141
Looks like he buys any condition cruiser.
 
Your first Toyota 4x4 is a revelation, just kicking yourself you didn't do it years ago, even if you'd had to borrow some money to buy one the savings in repairs makes up the repayments.
How many are like me, in that i worked on so many Japanese cars owned by others back in the day but for some reason persevered with fixing our own euro stuff to the point you end up pon first name terms at the Ford parts desk, the Jap cars needing little other than some regular servicing, always a doddle to work on, where the euro stuff especially French was a nightmare, Renault especially you needed to be 3ft tall with several multi jointed arms the length of Mr Tickle's.
The only real issue i've found with Japanese cars is they don't like our fetish for road salt, but keep that washed off and at bay using whatever method you prefer and you can't beat them for long reliable transport.

I'd have liked a 100, and tried to buy one several times, but as we all know there's some abused overdescribed stuff out there so each time walked away ever more disillusioned.
The two i really kick myself over were sold by a dealer in Cheshire, around 05 reg if i remember right and probably 8 years old at the time, both V8 petrols in black circa 60k miles i think, one owner vehicles having come from US embassy where they'd been serviced in house and running round the relatively unsalted south east, typical US conservative attitudes to servicing probably meant the oil never got slightly discoloured between changes, as i recall they were around £16k at the time, more than i wanted to pay at the time bearing in mind i'd have had to fork out another £2k for lpg conversion, but seeing how prices have gone if you kept them well they would have been worth that now or more.

Did anyone here buy one of those.

Anyway, welcome Odin, glad you've taken the plunge i doubt you'll go back to LR which is such a pity as the Defenders were a great design that didn't need scrapping completely but tweaking and the fitting of a decent Diesel engine 3+ litres, as it is they've replaced it with another Discovery with more electronics than you could shake a stick at.
 
Right, here goes Chaps. The Landcruiser did come from Valley 4x4 ands I am starting to sense a slight degree degree of animosity? Well, the bloke were right with me and was quite open about condition of this vehicle. Furthermore, I was totally open about the Disco III which he took in part exchange. Please bare in mind that I am an MOT Tester with my own station, and when one owns a crap vehicle, the best place for it is a scrap yard if you don't want to end up in court. Not all will agree with this statement, but it is how I tick. The Disco had to go and I had a lot in it over the past four years. He took it off me and it has not gone on his forecourt. The one he has up on E-bay is not my old vehicle. If somebody wants it and wants to throw thousands at it, EPB, body off for the turbo and Body Control Module etc, then feel free. But that Disco will still remain an overrated car with not an ounce of hard work in it. Only fit for taking kids to school & Sainsburys. If you want to go off road, then make sure the main dealer is present.
Back to the Landcruiser;- We laid underneath it (My body man & me). He said. "There is nothing on this vehicle that we cannot do"! Now that is a very powerful statement whilst owning a LR that needs to go the specialists who need to be paid. I have not the spare time nor inclination to mess around with a badly designed car. We have done some major chassis and service work recently on Landcruisers, and got paid for it. I am not handing that money over to the LR agent or waste any more time on that EPB or lifting bodies off. So with this week being quiet, we are in work working on the Amazon and enjoying it, because we can repair, improve, adapt, alter. Can't do that with that queer green oval thing.
 

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I had a '94 Disco 300Tdi before I got my 80 series Amazon and it ran prettty well faultlessly for the 7 years I had it although I had a near miss with the cambelt issue and the build quality in parts wasn't the best, the panel gaps varied massively for one thing and the dreaded aluminium/steel corrosion was starting to rear it's head. That was in the pre-electronic era of course. I'm not that familiar with the model Disco you had but no doubt it had way more electronic dependancy than the old 200/300Tdi's and things have got "worse" since then. From the pics it looks like you have a 100 series Amazon? so I can't fault your choice of "upgrade" from a Disco :thumbup:. It sounds like your already experienced with LC repair and maintenence and happy with your purchase so you're halfway home already.:thumbup:
 
Welcome Odin.

I had the same experience with a Disco 2.

Very glad to be driving a cruiser for all the reasons you mentioned and more...

Andy
 
Hi Odin - in practice I think you'll find running a 100 series much like running your old Defender - my own 80 series (last 8 years) has been similar in terms of reliability to my old 200Tdi Defender - ultimately all of these trucks are now 20 years plus old, and however good the original design, much of our vehicles' reliability will be down to the degree and quality of maintenance in the intervening couple of decades. Old Defenders are (in my view) easier and certainly much cheaper to fix (parts price mostly) and Cruisers rust for fun, but as you say, it's all fixable.

The Cruiser is definitely a nicer place to be, and I don't argue with you vs a Disco III as I've never owned one... but I did have a couple of Puma engined Defenders, and I would have swapped either of them for my old 200Tdi in a heart beat as I think Ford screwed up so much of what was good about the original Defender design and simplicity, so I guess the Disco III was similarly flawed. Personally I would still have a Defender (pre-Puma) but the price of them is now crazy - TD5 Defenders are now regularly going for 12-15k+... its just nuts.

Anyway... have fun, and welcome to the forum.
 
When I had my S1 Disco, a big plus off LR ownership was the availability of parts, both OEM from non- franchised sellers and after market parts, coupled with their relative ease of DIY maintenance. The advent of "take it to a dealer" electronics has effectively killed that with later models which, IMO, is partly responsible for the crazy prices some of these old spec vehicles are fetching. I guess that can be said of many marques.
 
When I had my S1 Disco, a big plus off LR ownership was the availability of parts, both OEM from non- franchised sellers and after market parts, coupled with their relative ease of DIY maintenance. The advent of "take it to a dealer" electronics has effectively killed that with later models which, IMO, is partly responsible for the crazy prices some of these old spec vehicles are fetching. I guess that can be said of many marques.
fixability is a massive thing for me.

even if i could put aside the cost or possible workmanship issues of taking a vehicle to a garage.

i couldnt cope with the "yeah, we can take a look for you a week on tuesday mate"..

i carry loads of parts in stock to reduce any potential downtime.
 
Literally the only thing I miss about my old V8 Disco is the curry hook.
 
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