noise on turning.

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Hi Guys
For the last few days I have noticed a noise coming from the front of the Cruiser when I turn left.
It does not appear when I turn right at all.
The noise is like a swishing or creaking sound and as soon as the wheel is returned it goes away.
I have also heard or even felt an odd thing like a creak or strain coming from the front end, this only happened a few time at most.
I have thought that it may be the CV joint or knuckles or something like that.
What tests can I do tio find out what is wrong if any.
If I look from under the cruiser what should I look for, do I need to turn the steering wheel any particular direction.
Is there other things to look for like the bushing at the front of the two round bars at the front or anything else.
If I hear the noise on the left when turning left is it the left I should be looking at regarding anything like the CV etc or is it vice versa.
I know it may be a stupid question but how do you know when a bushing needs replacing.
Do these little issues ever go away or is it a case of really start learning about the Cruiser like I am or even faster.
John C
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John,
It could be a number of things, but if it was a CV joint it would
usually click on hard right or left turn.
I would be inclined to jack up each corner, check the wheel bearings by
holding the wheels top and bottom and then see if there is any movement
there when you try to wiggle them. A loose wheel bearing causing
rubbing on the brakes could make the sound you describe.
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Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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John,
It could be a number of things, but if it was a CV joint it would
usually click on hard right or left turn.
I would be inclined to jack up each corner, check the wheel bearings by
holding the wheels top and bottom and then see if there is any movement
there when you try to wiggle them. A loose wheel bearing causing
rubbing on the brakes could make the sound you describe.
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Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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Hi julian
Thanks for that I will check this out today and let you know.
John C
92HDJ 80 1HDT Ireland
 
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Hi Julian
I had a look at the Cruiser and like you said I jacked it up one corner at a
time and yes the wheels move a little in and out when I grabbed it top and
bottom. It is only slight in both wheels and there seems to be the same
amount of movement in both.
I also tried a full lock in both directions when it was stationary and there
was no noise exept for the pump sound while held at full lock.
So do I have to get new bearings for each wheel inner and outer or can they
be tightened , usually. Would it be a good idea to get new bearing and be
done with it while iim there anyway.
John C
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Hi John,
The movement you need to check for is when you push at the top and then
simultaneously pull at the bottom and then do the reverse - if the wheel rocks
on it axle the wheel bearings need tightening.
Usually they only need tightening, but if you haven't had them checked for a
while it may be worth getting them repacked with grease as well - you will need
to get an inner bearing seal because the current one will be destroyed when you
get the inner bearing out - Milners actually do a good kit providing all seals
for a complete knuckle service for about ?32.
If you are going to get the wheel bearings re-packed with grease, it is worth
checking and repacking the birfield as well.
The wheel bearings last for ages and would only need to be replaced if they are
pitted or worn - if you don't know when they were last done you might want to
replace them, again they are pretty cheap from Milners.
The key thing is to make sure that you try to get hold of a 54/55mm hub socket
and get the wheel bearings tightened up properly (I have some info on this if
you want) - the key is to make sure the bearings are bedded in properly.
To check the birfields you should try driving back and forth on full lock - if
they are worn you will hear them clicking.
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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Hi John,
The movement you need to check for is when you push at the top and then
simultaneously pull at the bottom and then do the reverse - if the wheel rocks
on it axle the wheel bearings need tightening.
Usually they only need tightening, but if you haven't had them checked for a
while it may be worth getting them repacked with grease as well - you will need
to get an inner bearing seal because the current one will be destroyed when you
get the inner bearing out - Milners actually do a good kit providing all seals
for a complete knuckle service for about ?32.
If you are going to get the wheel bearings re-packed with grease, it is worth
checking and repacking the birfield as well.
The wheel bearings last for ages and would only need to be replaced if they are
pitted or worn - if you don't know when they were last done you might want to
replace them, again they are pretty cheap from Milners.
The key thing is to make sure that you try to get hold of a 54/55mm hub socket
and get the wheel bearings tightened up properly (I have some info on this if
you want) - the key is to make sure the bearings are bedded in properly.
To check the birfields you should try driving back and forth on full lock - if
they are worn you will hear them clicking.
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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Thanks Julian for the info I tried to get the 54 socket in the local area
and no good I think they had all sizes up to below that.
If you know where to get one it will have to be my next purchase I guess.
Do all four wheels have to be serviced with grease.
Do the rear ones usually need replacing aswell.
When you say Milners do the seal kit do you know what is in it.
So is it ?32 for the seal kit and then another 20 odd for the bearings.
The pulling and grabbing of the wheel is what I did and thats when I got the
movement.
Could the same be applied to the rear wheels aswell.
John C
92HDJ 80 1HDT Ireland
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Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: [ELCO] noise on turning.
 
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From: "John Byrne"
Thanks Julian for the info I tried to get the 54 socket in the local area
and no good I think they had all sizes up to below that.
If you know where to get one it will have to be my next purchase I guess.
Hi John,
I get a lot of the gear I want sent over from Australia, good prices, even
factoring in postage and takes about a week to get here.
Just looked on eBay Australia and there is a socket there with a 'buy it
now' price of just under ?17.00. This is being sold by
roodogs4wdspares
I have dealt with him and can recommend him, only hassle is that Paypal is
his only method of payment.
Hope this helps you.
Cheers,
Dennis
Dennis Pomery
Livingston Scotland
1988 LHD FJ75 Pickup
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Thanks Dennis
Ill have a look at it and see what the postage will be.
John C
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Hi John,
Sealey and Draper both do 55mm sockets, however they only fit pre '95 models -
ring around your local tool shops and you should be able to get one ordered.
There aren't any actual grease nipples, however if it hans't been done since
you have had the vehicle it is worth doing a full clean out and repack, that
way you can be confident that it will last for a long time afterwards.
The rear wheel bearings don't wear as quickly as the front ones, but again is
worth doing when you first get a vehicle to make sure they are done properly.
The key thing is that Toyota don't service these items unless there is an
actual problem whereas ideally you should aim to repack with fresh grease every
20-30,000 miles - doing this ensures the bearings last for a lot longer.
Yes a full set of seals to do a full service on knuckles and wheel bearings on
the front axle.
If you are going to do the rear a wheel bearings as well it is worth getting
the 'Front and Read Hub seals' x 2 beacuse these would need to be replaced when
you remove the inner wheel bearings on the back axle.
Here is a complete list of what you would need from Milners if repacking all
four corners on an 80:
Quantity Description Part No Price Total
1 Front Hub & Swivel Seal Kit (both sides) 000198K ?30.00 ?30.00
4 Outer Wheel Bearing Front 000510 ?9.50 ?38.00
4 Inner Wheel Bearing Front 000509 ?15.00 ?60.00
4 Wheel Bearing Spacer Washer 000716 ?1.50 ?6.00
8 Wheel Bearing Locking Nut 000717 ?1.50 ?12.00
4 Wheel Bearing Lock Washer 001477 ?0.15 ?0.60
2 Front & Rear Hub Seal 1/1990 - 1998 000346 ?3.00 ?6.00
If you have no history of them being replaced and if the car is over 100k
miles, I would also consider replacing the steering knuckle bearings (two on
each side at the front) - you also might need some spare shims to make sure the
preload is correct.
The parts required for that would be:
Quantity Description Part No Price Total
4 Swivel Bearing HDJ80 000789 ?8.50 ?34.00
4 0.10mm Swivel shims available 3685G
About that, yes.
Yes, try it and see.
I find it surprising how many TLCs have loose bearings, although it is probably
due to either the lack of service by the dealers or the way the bearings are
tightened up when they are done.
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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Hi Lynne,
I can't find it there - you you have an item number for the sale?
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Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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Hi Lynne,
I can't find it there - you you have an item number for the sale?
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Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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Hi John,
Sealey and Draper both do 55mm sockets, however they only fit pre '95 models -
ring around your local tool shops and you should be able to get one ordered.
There aren't any actual grease nipples, however if it hans't been done since
you have had the vehicle it is worth doing a full clean out and repack, that
way you can be confident that it will last for a long time afterwards.
The rear wheel bearings don't wear as quickly as the front ones, but again is
worth doing when you first get a vehicle to make sure they are done properly.
The key thing is that Toyota don't service these items unless there is an
actual problem whereas ideally you should aim to repack with fresh grease every
20-30,000 miles - doing this ensures the bearings last for a lot longer.
Yes a full set of seals to do a full service on knuckles and wheel bearings on
the front axle.
If you are going to do the rear a wheel bearings as well it is worth getting
the 'Front and Read Hub seals' x 2 beacuse these would need to be replaced when
you remove the inner wheel bearings on the back axle.
Here is a complete list of what you would need from Milners if repacking all
four corners on an 80:
Quantity Description Part No Price Total
1 Front Hub & Swivel Seal Kit (both sides) 000198K ?30.00 ?30.00
4 Outer Wheel Bearing Front 000510 ?9.50 ?38.00
4 Inner Wheel Bearing Front 000509 ?15.00 ?60.00
4 Wheel Bearing Spacer Washer 000716 ?1.50 ?6.00
8 Wheel Bearing Locking Nut 000717 ?1.50 ?12.00
4 Wheel Bearing Lock Washer 001477 ?0.15 ?0.60
2 Front & Rear Hub Seal 1/1990 - 1998 000346 ?3.00 ?6.00
If you have no history of them being replaced and if the car is over 100k
miles, I would also consider replacing the steering knuckle bearings (two on
each side at the front) - you also might need some spare shims to make sure the
preload is correct.
The parts required for that would be:
Quantity Description Part No Price Total
4 Swivel Bearing HDJ80 000789 ?8.50 ?34.00
4 0.10mm Swivel shims available 3685G
About that, yes.
Yes, try it and see.
I find it surprising how many TLCs have loose bearings, although it is probably
due to either the lack of service by the dealers or the way the bearings are
tightened up when they are done.
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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Thanks Dennis
Ill have a look at it and see what the postage will be.
John C
No worries John
I got 2 rear view mirrors for my cruiser and the postage was just under ?10,
took 5 days to get here from OZ.
The blokes name is Neil.
Dennis
Dennis Pomery
Livingston in Scotland
1988 LHD FJ75 Pickup
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Hi Julian
I found it. put the sellers name in the advanced search and its on the third
page. I have asked for a cost for postage to me. He does a lot of other good
stuff , ah sure you will see for your self.
John C
92HDJ 80 1HDT Ireland
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From: "Julian Voelcker" <[Email address removed]>
To: <[Email address removed]>
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: [ELCO] noise on turning.
 
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Hi julian
The No is 4573957912 for the hub socket
John c
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From: "Julian Voelcker" <[Email address removed]>
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Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 9:00 AM
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Hi Lynne,?????
I can't find it there - you you have an item number for the sale?
Hi Julian,
4573957912
Regards,
DENNIS Pomery
Livingston Scotland
1988 FJ75 Pickup
P.S.Used to have an 93 HZJ75 Troopy in Australia when I worked out in the
Central Desert for 4 years.
The only body protection out there was ARB bull bar, scrub bars, heavy duty
rear bar but that was more to do with the 2 spare wheel carriers than
protection..
Biggest hassle out there was roos, emus and camels. Hit roos at high speed
with no damage to any part of the vehicle. OEM engine plates worked fine.
All roads out there were dirt or gravel and usually in very poor condition.
Most trips off road were in mainly sandy conditions with some rocky outcrops
thrown in for good measure, the troopy handled all with little bother, never
ever got into a situation where assistance was necessary.
Pick my brain cell any time you like.
Dennis
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Hi Julian
Late last night I went to a supermarket car park to test the full lock
noise. I turned full lock in both directions a few times untill I decided I
had better get out of here before someone calls the security. Anyway not a
noise from either side , none at all , not even a little teeny weeny noise.
What a load of crap, I look after it the best I can and this is how it
treats me, by playing games at night. Well I have had enough, I wont clean
it for two days and see how it likes that. Funny ols world , but I will do
the wheel bearings, but not on my own, no way no how.
John C
92HDJ 801HDT Ireland
 
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Sorry Dennis, my email package automatically picks up the emails name
when replying!
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Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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