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JB, sorry to hear you are having trouble again. I did not see the
start of your thread as I have not had digests for quite a few days
(don't worry, Julian has been helping behind the scenes). But can I
make some observations?
A 12 volt system will start the 4.2 IDI quite adequately in freezing
conditions. Living halfway up a mountain in the Balkans my single
75ah battery always fired the old girl up. 2 years ago I had to park
overnight at a hotel (up an even higher mountain) in January when we
had over 2ft of snow in the night. I knew starting would be touch and
go in the morning, but three doses of the heater plugs were enough to
make it fire first time (there is no ambient temperature override on
my basic HZ glow system). It may be the 'tropical' spec model but I
think it proves that if the systems are working and well maintained -
including the glow plugs - then it will take a good dose of cold
weather. But the last 2nd hand 80 I bought for the office, also with
an HZ engine, was supplied by TGS in European spec with 24v starting
but with the usual glow plugs. This truck was a worse starter than
mine for some reason. By the way, my 80 with snow chains fitted was
the only vehicle to get out of that valley that day !
When living in Russia I knew of several cars in my car park that had
a large 12 volt battery in the boot, they just appeared to charge
these batteries from the lighter socket. So there was always a jump
start available for the driver of that car. This of course, after one
had poured a kettle of boiling water over the alloy inlet manifold to
help vapourise the petrol on a Lada.
I have a mate with a second hand car business who relies on the
starter pack things, and as I recall they were the quality Draper
brand. I would guess that those supplied by the likes of Machine Mart
or Northern Tool Co. would also be of suitable quality.
For starting at home, next time you buy a battery charger why not get
one with a 'starting circuit'? They are available in 12 and 24 volt
versions. On my boat I have one that has a maximum charging output
of 25 amps, and for starting, 200 amps for about 30 seconds.
Thankfully I never have to use that function on mine, but have used
it on the large slow revving engines of neighbouring boats to good effect.
Nevertheless having the unique Toy 12/24 starting system makes it
very awkward to use these alternatives. Good maintenance and the
efficient functioning of the charging system are essential. It makes
me glad I have the simple military spec 12 volt HZ.
Cheers
Jon
Tring, Herts
'92 HZJ80 ex UN Bosnia surplus
PS. Reno, nice to see you around still, but you describe yourself as
a - E u r o r i c a i n -. So is that 'cain' as in recreational
sherbet, or 'cain' as in the stuff the dentist uses to keep you down
in his chair, or is it about an uncontrollable and damaging wind somewhere?
start of your thread as I have not had digests for quite a few days
(don't worry, Julian has been helping behind the scenes). But can I
make some observations?
A 12 volt system will start the 4.2 IDI quite adequately in freezing
conditions. Living halfway up a mountain in the Balkans my single
75ah battery always fired the old girl up. 2 years ago I had to park
overnight at a hotel (up an even higher mountain) in January when we
had over 2ft of snow in the night. I knew starting would be touch and
go in the morning, but three doses of the heater plugs were enough to
make it fire first time (there is no ambient temperature override on
my basic HZ glow system). It may be the 'tropical' spec model but I
think it proves that if the systems are working and well maintained -
including the glow plugs - then it will take a good dose of cold
weather. But the last 2nd hand 80 I bought for the office, also with
an HZ engine, was supplied by TGS in European spec with 24v starting
but with the usual glow plugs. This truck was a worse starter than
mine for some reason. By the way, my 80 with snow chains fitted was
the only vehicle to get out of that valley that day !
When living in Russia I knew of several cars in my car park that had
a large 12 volt battery in the boot, they just appeared to charge
these batteries from the lighter socket. So there was always a jump
start available for the driver of that car. This of course, after one
had poured a kettle of boiling water over the alloy inlet manifold to
help vapourise the petrol on a Lada.
I have a mate with a second hand car business who relies on the
starter pack things, and as I recall they were the quality Draper
brand. I would guess that those supplied by the likes of Machine Mart
or Northern Tool Co. would also be of suitable quality.
For starting at home, next time you buy a battery charger why not get
one with a 'starting circuit'? They are available in 12 and 24 volt
versions. On my boat I have one that has a maximum charging output
of 25 amps, and for starting, 200 amps for about 30 seconds.
Thankfully I never have to use that function on mine, but have used
it on the large slow revving engines of neighbouring boats to good effect.
Nevertheless having the unique Toy 12/24 starting system makes it
very awkward to use these alternatives. Good maintenance and the
efficient functioning of the charging system are essential. It makes
me glad I have the simple military spec 12 volt HZ.
Cheers
Jon
Tring, Herts
'92 HZJ80 ex UN Bosnia surplus
PS. Reno, nice to see you around still, but you describe yourself as
a - E u r o r i c a i n -. So is that 'cain' as in recreational
sherbet, or 'cain' as in the stuff the dentist uses to keep you down
in his chair, or is it about an uncontrollable and damaging wind somewhere?