Recovery points

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Dyfed wrote...
what recovery points (if any) does the 80 have.
this is presuming i dont have a towbar on it (but it will do)
and if none what options do i have to fit them, both front and rear...
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Dyfed the rest of the gang have answered the point about the Toy fittings.
Except that later models had a pigtail with open end rather than the
pigtail with both ends welded to the mounting plate as mine are. But you
touched on a sensitive issue viz towbars. This is often a point of
contention with 80 owners.
So look at the rear bumper in the centre. You may have noticed that this is
in fact the rear chassis cross-member and very strong. It is reinforced
with sections diagonally across the 90degree join at each corner. In the
centre of the bumper you will see 4 blanked-off holes for a hitch or at
least a recovery eye.
The top 2 are into a threaded plate with 12mm iso fine thread. The bottom
two are straight loose bolt holes with an access cut-out behind the member.
If you use it, put the bolts in from the back and nuts on the outside, they
will stay rust free that way.
My 80 is military spec and came standard with a NATO towhook fitted to that
member. I have never needed recovery but I have done a lot of towing with
it. I have heard it is rated at 3500kg some say 5000kg, but if you ask our
cousins in USA they will tell you it isn't rated for much at all. But I
think its all to do with government regulations more than the capacity
which Toy build-in for this member to tow.
An example. All working 80's I see here have that hitch and they get a lot
of use - mine used to tow a fuel bowser whilst escorting convoys in the
war. Yet the UN 4Runner, although still a military spec has to have a huge
4X2 channel frame to which they mount the NATO hitch, just to do the same
job as the standard 80. Well, in fact I guess that it would be lower rated
as its a lighter vehicle.
I guess Toy made the rear end strong so that there was no need for extra
box sections etc to take the strain and thus interfere with the spare
wheel. But you will see some variants on an extra towhitch mounted from the
side rails of the chassis. I have even seen one mounted to a member across
the width of the chassis ahead of the spare with a box section running aft
and just using the lower 2 bolt holes of the standard 4 to support the ball
end. That seems like overkill to me apart from lowering ground clearance..
My ballhitch is a plate made to fit the 4 hole mounting with a swan-neck
bar in a 'U' shape welded to it. So when it grounds in rough country there
is nothing sharp to catch on rocks etc. and there is nothing underneath
lowering the ground clearance. Its just a smooth round bar. I can send you
a picture if you like - when you finally get your Toy.
Best of luck
cheers
Jon
'92 HZJ80 ex UN surplus in Bosnia.
 
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do you have a picture of your tow point or know of a picture where it explains
it well?
the ones ive seen on ebay etc all seem to have the exposure incorrectly set so
you cant make out much at all on or under the back bumper.
Quoting toy80 <[Email address removed]>:
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Hi Dyfed
I have a tow bar fitted but not using any of the holes in the bumper..
Instead the tow hitch is bolted to the chaisis each side for about 18inches
and then welded to each other via a cross member. This way the tow position
is lower because I think to use the holes in the bumper may make the tow
position a little high. I had a look at the only pistures of cruiser and you
can barly make it out but its not great.
John C
92HDJ 80 1HDT Ireland
 
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On 1/4/05 14:37, "toy80" <[Email address removed]> wrote:
Slightly off topic Jon but were you in Sarajevo during the war?
Jeremy
Jeremy Llewellyn-Jones
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-----Original Message-----
From: [Email address removed] [mailto:[Email address removed]]
On Behalf Of dyfed bowen
Sent: 01 April 2005 14:38
Standard front recovery points:
www.mudtoys.com/temp/recovery/DSCF0002.JPG
Standard rear cross member / bumper Nato hitch mounting holes and a tow
bar. This pic is of the 93, our 94 has a Witter bar which is similar but
has a plate that goes from the bar to those 4 holes in the cross member.
I assume the bar rating is increased by this but who knows.
www.mudtoys.com/temp/recovery/DSCF0004.JPG
Rear cross member on the 94 with Nato hitch in place. I drilled out the
holes to take bigger bolts because of the side loads it may have to
withstand as a recovery point. You can also see the angle brackets on
the chassis rails that the Witter tow bar bolts on to when I need it.
www.mudtoys.com/temp/recovery/DSCF0005.JPG
Best Regards,
Jon.
 
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On mine those front points bend very easily - as I discovered when I
hauled out a removal van.
I've read elsewhere that they are just tie-down points for delivery from
Japan - but maybe yours are reinforced (or coated with kryponite /
marmite?)
Christopher Bell
Devon, UK
1996 1HD-FT
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| >do you have a picture of your tow point or know of a picture
| >where it explains it well?
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| Standard front recovery points:
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| www.mudtoys.com/temp/recovery/DSCF0002.JPG
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Hi Jon
Your bumpers seem to be in good condition, is it possible to get the out
side coating for these bumpers.
John c
92HDJ 1HDT Ireland
 
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Dyfed wrote...
do you have a picture of your tow point or know of a picture where it explains
it well?
the ones ive seen on ebay etc all seem to have the exposure incorrectly set so
you cant make out much at all on or under the back bumper.
SNIP...
If you got my picture page address when I generously posted those pictures
of s/h cruisers last weekend ;o), you will see some pictures on the Toy
page of my NATO hook which I put there at the request of others a couple of
years ago. As for the ball hitch, I will try and take one later today and
post it in the same place. No point in taking pictures underneath as it is
mounted straight to the 4 hole mounting. I don't find it too high. My
German made trailer rides quite high anyway and appears level to me. But I
thought all ball hitches were made to be at a standard height above ground
- maybe 16 inches ? Anyway, when I take the picture I will put a tape
beside it too.
Cheers
Jon
'92 HZJ80 ex UN surplus in Bosnia - I thought marmite was congealed
Guinness meself
 
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Erm
The only email I can find with your name on it with a url link is for this..
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/jonscw/detail?.dir=/1e58&.dnm=cce3.jpg&.src=ph
Posted on Sunday
But it doesn't show any recovery points
Just pictures of white landcruisers in a car park.
-----Original Message-----
From: [Email address removed] [mailto:[Email address removed]] On
Behalf Of toy80
Sent: 02 April 2005 07:19
To: [Email address removed]
Subject: RE: [ELCO] Recovery points
Dyfed wrote...
do you have a picture of your tow point or know of a picture where it
explains it well?
the ones ive seen on ebay etc all seem to have the exposure incorrectly set
so you cant make out much at all on or under the back bumper.
SNIP...
If you got my picture page address when I generously posted those pictures
of s/h cruisers last weekend ;o), you will see some pictures on the Toy page
of my NATO hook which I put there at the request of others a couple of years
ago. As for the ball hitch, I will try and take one later today and post it
in the same place. No point in taking pictures underneath as it is mounted
straight to the 4 hole mounting. I don't find it too high. My German made
trailer rides quite high anyway and appears level to me. But I thought all
ball hitches were made to be at a standard height above ground
- maybe 16 inches ? Anyway, when I take the picture I will put a tape beside
it too.
Cheers
Jon
'92 HZJ80 ex UN surplus in Bosnia - I thought marmite was congealed Guinness
meself
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