The people have spoken

[goodoldboy]

human nature reveals one of the fundamental flaws in socialism. stick twenty people on a desert island and within the first hour a hierarchical structure will begin to develop. probable subconsciously at first, but this will become more established after each passing day.

ah yes human nature .Greedy grasping murdering violent primates whose dominating instinct is to have power over others .Absolutely nothing we can do about it.So why do we educate our children to share , not fight and argue , not to bully and dominate the little kids ? Most of the people iv'e had this debate with , ordinary folks who actually work for a living , always see their position in this so called natural hierarchy as a lot closer to the top than it actually is.It would be interesting to see how a group of us on this site would react to anyone trying to tell us when to go to bed or stop drinking if we were parked up in a field.But yeah some folks accept their place in society , being told what to do by their so called betters but who holds the power is the key to hierarchies working. How does it work out at Lincome ?

it is unashamedly what it aspires to be. work hard, earn cash. improve ones life. hopefully reaches the poorer and improves there life eventually also. or they also work harder to earn cash to improve there own lives

I think that was true for some of us born post war but you have to remember the developed world consists of about 15 % of the worlds population. As wages and standards of living reached the high point for us in the mid 70s poverty in the global south was at it's highest. Capitalism does what is says on the tin - it allows those with capital to invest or speculate and gamble at the expense of everything else. The fallout is wars , pollution and exploitation. Corporations have knowingly poisoned millions with lead , tobacco and asbestos. Profit comes first at the expense of basic human need with 100s of empty properties and people freezing to death in the streets .If you want to know where it's going for the UK take a close look at what's happening to ordinary working folks in the USA.

 

[Iwan]

I was thinking today about a comparison between a country that is a member of the EU and a country that trades on WTO terms.

I can only put it in terms of myself buying a parcel from for example France.

Just before christmas now I want to buy a dried leg of ham from France. As currently we are in the EU transition period and even with limited time! I bought it and it's on it's way to me. I've got the conformation email guaranteed for the leg to arrive before christmas eve. Direct to my house very happy to hear that.

Got a delivery date email from the courier notification and cant wait to get it! ..... it's arrived just in time for christmas lol!

So we are able to do this because our country pays for a membership which gives access to a single market. brexit is our friend because it saves the membership cost!.. the key to this is that OUR COUNTRY "PAYS" for this from our taxes.

Fast forward to march 2021.... I've managed to finish the ham leg by february and kind of miss having some ham in the house.. (I'm a bit sick of it actually but the cats love it!)

We are out of the EU thank god for that because our country is paying for a membership for nothing! And we're trading on WTO terms now.

I ordered the next leg of dry ham got the delivery confirmation email and I'm waiting for it to arrive, I was expecting a parcel but I've got a letter with a bill in it for..

IMPORT DUTY, administration fee and VAT for the product, shipping and the 2 before plus the product!

WTF is this? You have to pay this as after 2 weeks the parcel gets sent back. Suppose I need to pay this as I want the ham! It has made the ham cost quite a lot more now.

So Brexit is a friend for your country because it saves the country the membership fee.

For myself I am now paying out of my pocket for import!

Brexit is a friend to your country, but to YOU and I it is a sneeky act that has transferred the cost of import to OUR pockets.

So when the capitalists say "Brexit is good for the country" They are not lieing because WE will pay for our imports.. instead of the country covering it!

WAKE UP to our reality!

 

[chapel gate]

I was thinking today about a comparison between a country that is a member of the EU and a country that trades on WTO terms.

I can only put it in terms of myself buying a parcel from for example France.

Just before christmas now I want to buy a dried leg of ham from France. As currently we are in the EU transition period and even with limited time! I bought it and it's on it's way to me. I've got the conformation email guaranteed for the leg to arrive before christmas eve. Direct to my house very happy to hear that.

Got a delivery date email from the courier notification and cant wait to get it! ..... it's arrived just in time for christmas lol!

So we are able to do this because our country pays for a membership which gives access to a single market. brexit is our friend because it saves the membership cost!.. the key to this is that OUR COUNTRY "PAYS" for this from our taxes.

Fast forward to march 2021.... I've managed to finish the ham leg by february and kind of miss having some ham in the house.. (I'm a bit sick of it actually but the cats love it!)

We are out of the EU thank god for that because our country is paying for a membership for nothing! And we're trading on WTO terms now.

I ordered the next leg of dry ham got the delivery confirmation email and I'm waiting for it to arrive, I was expecting a parcel but I've got a letter with a bill in it for..

IMPORT DUTY, administration fee and VAT for the product, shipping and the 2 before plus the product!

WTF is this? You have to pay this as after 2 weeks the parcel gets sent back. Suppose I need to pay this as I want the ham! It has made the ham cost quite a lot more now.

So Brexit is a friend for your country because it saves the country the membership fee.

For myself I am now paying out of my pocket for import!

Brexit is a friend to your country, but to YOU and I it is a sneeky act that has transferred the cost of import to OUR pockets.

So when the capitalists say "Brexit is good for the country" They are not lieing because WE will pay for our imports.. instead of the country covering it!

WAKE UP to our reality!

Trealy Farm Charcuterie - Artisan British Cured Meat, Salami, Chorizo - [Leaving Land Cruiser Club]

 

[Shayne]

2 and a half billion quids worth of veg imported annually yet there are 503 commercial vineyards in England and Wales . They were telling us recently farms were struggling to find seasonal workers but it wouldn't be a problem if they could afford to employ full time staff .

And Iwan we pay that duty now on anything from outside the EU as a fine in order to protect jobs in any other country but our own .

 

[Grimbo]

In all honesty if the EU was still just a trade agreement between a group of neighbours few people would have voted leave.
What the EU is now and the faceless people who run it as a kind of club to give themselves huge expense accounts and massive pensions is not anything like what the original EEC with 6 members was set up as .

The rest of the EU smoke and mirrors has been slipped through by stealth.... why should we trust an institution that is so corrupt it has never had any accounts signed off..... when this was noticed and and questions asked the EU reverted to type and moved the goal posts .... criticise or disagree with them as several have Schmidt Brown ,Watt and McCoy for instance... and they sack you ....the closest they seem to have got to balancing the books is 4.7 % unaccounted for or nearly 7 Billon Euro in 2015 .... you would never do business or have anything to do with a company that did the same , every attempt to investigate is thwarted by changing rules, laws etc , not to mention granting them selves immunity from prosecution....

An EU Army ? A stated ambition of Merkel and Macron ....probably the best reason to leave ..
We have Nato and the French and Germans are happy not to pull their full weight in paying their share and also happy to take the vast sums of money the USA put's into the EU from it's Bases in Europe and the associated jobs and spend locally from those stationed there .... an EU army would be for who's benefit and under who's control .

I would happily vote for the old EEC trade agreement with the 6 founding members...... I would and will happily vote for or elect someone to a post for a fixed term whereby they are judged on their performance and either re elected or sacked ...... not a single EU leader is elected other than by their peers......Good Old Boy mentioned Orwell in a post..... well to me the EU is Animal Farm personified and the Pigs are the EU .... how much money has the odious Blair family received from the EU and the Kinnock's before them.... in the interest of fairness the other side of the house has it's fair share of money grabbing career politician's to .

I strongly suspect 99.9 % of the worlds problems would be solved by getting rid of politicians and the media ..... any chance Santa ?

 

[goodoldboy]

Good Old Boy mentioned Orwell in a post..... well to me the EU is Animal Farm personified and the Pigs are the EU .... how much money has the odious Blair family received from the EU and the Kinnock's before them.... in the interest of fairness the other side of the house has it's fair share of money grabbing career politician's to .

I strongly suspect 99.9 % of the worlds problems would be solved by getting rid of politicians and the media ..... any chance Santa ?

BREAKING NEWS ! Landcruiser Brexit negotiations close to agreement !

 

[Iwan]

This fella may get through to this subject of paying for your import costs after 1st January 2021.

Hope fully it helps you to understand and prevent you from having to carry around a mattress with you! So when you fall over in disbelief you don't get hurt!

 

[Iwan]

BREAKING NEWS ! Landcruiser Brexit negotiations close to agreement !

If they don't agree, they will have to go through my agent... My agent want's 20% of the transaction to achieve the deal!

 

[Shayne]

Does Amazon sell stuff that doesn't come from China

 

[Grimbo]

Does Amazon sell stuff that doesn't come from China

Does anyone sell stuff that doesn't come from China ?

New Milwaukie 3/4 drive impact gun arrived ......Milwaukee in the USA but made in the bloody PRC ..now expecting it to fall apart the next time I use it.....

This is the same Milwaukee that on their website under the section " Suspension Brakes Transmission " spell Brakes "Breaks" probably written by the same Chinese bloke who makes the stuff ....

Let's all stop buying crap from China.....

 

[Shayne]

I got my Milwaukee as a set from Screwfix because i couldn't find them any cheaper online . No extra charges on my Ariat boots from USA recently, but i did get hit with them on a 52" lightbar direct from China making it almost half the price i could have bought exactly the same one here .

Australian stuff sold here is often exactly double in price suggesting a 100% tariff and we still buy it because nobody else makes it lol

 

[Shayne]

I found this tonight and from what i've read so far i would recommend Remainers read it if only to gain some incite into the mindset they oppose .

I randomly started here Questions for Universities | The Full Brexit - [Leaving Land Cruiser Club] which perfectly demonstrates why the remain argument fell on deaf ears .

Seems to focus on the "why's" rather than the "what ifs" and crystal balls which is refreshing .

 

[Paddler Ed]

Australian stuff sold here is often exactly double in price suggesting a 100% tariff and we still buy it because nobody else makes it lol

I'd say that it's everyone clipping the ticket on the way through; manufacturer in Australia is probably selling it to the UK distributor at 20-25% off retail, and then the UK distributor is wearing the freight cost, and then 20% VAT and other costs, before they even get to trying to squeeze in their margin of 30%....

I found this tonight and from what i've read so far i would recommend Remainers read it if only to gain some incite into the mindset they oppose .

I randomly started here Questions for Universities | The Full Brexit - [Leaving Land Cruiser Club] which perfectly demonstrates why the remain argument fell on deaf ears .

Seems to focus on the "why's" rather than the "what ifs" and crystal balls which is refreshing .

I'm sure I've said it before, I have a schoolmate who is a Theoretical Physicist at Cambridge University - he was a stauch Brexiter... but he could actually reason about it beyond the "Stops migration/EU is stealing all our money" drum banging that so many had. He's always been over to the right politically, and definitely into the libertarian space of the conservative party (ie less interference through legislation) and that same libertarian space was what led him to vote leave. He was one of the few I know who did....

I actually struggled to find a consistent theme that those authors were trying to weave through their narrative - they just seemed to ping from one soap box to another. Fundamentally, they seem to be a bit confused on who to blame - the institutions that employ them (or the more junior, former polys more likely) or the population and the experts that have misled them. Ultimately, they still missed the structured arguement of why they wanted to leave, instead just seeming to shout "but you won't listen to Brexiters".... perhaps this is because so few Brexiters have managed to reason a convincing arguement why? Also, it is possible that most students don't want to hear from Brexiters because they don't agree with it because they struggle to see the benefit of leaving.

 

[goodoldboy]

I found this tonight and from what i've read so far i would recommend Remainers read it if only to gain some incite into the mindset they oppose .

I randomly started here Questions for Universities | The Full Brexit - [Leaving Land Cruiser Club] which perfectly demonstrates why the remain argument fell on deaf ears .

Seems to focus on the "why's" rather than the "what ifs" and crystal balls which is refreshing .

" Just as society does not give licence to unbridled capitalism to run rampant, abusing monopoly power, without any accountability, so public bodies like the universities need to be subject to oversight and rules for conduct. What we are arguing for is not more restrictions, but more liberties and freedoms for students and staff: the freedom to think, to express and to argue without hazard. It is the universities that have taken these freedoms away" which seems rather contradictory as one of the reasons given for Brexit was lees interference from Brussels .Right wing economists want exatly that - no restraint on capital .

Did Universities Sanction those who Diverged from the Anti-Brexit Narrative?
nothing in the article answers this question .Free speech for some means going unchallenged , not having to defend thier ideas.The link about Zealots is to an article in the Guardian - surely an expression of free speech ?

 

[Shayne]

Perhaps the best way to answer that is by citing F. Scott Fitzgerald's famous observation: "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function."

 

[Iwan]

Well had a surprise delivery today!

I didn't order a 3.050 kg piece of Prosciutto ham! Incredible as I was talking about imported ham!

I'm not sure who posted it to me at the moment, But it's too good to share with the cats! lol

Happy days and merry xmas all!

 

[Iwan]

We got a deal arranged or coming... Happy or are you an annalist? Is WTO trade your misguided optimum???

 

[Shayne]

WTO in my mind was only ever likely if the EU refused to accept they were negotiating with a sovereign nation and even then it would only be a stepping stone on the path to a trade deal . Political ideals have been the stumbling block all along trade is not a religion when theres money to be made there is always a solution .

Prepare for another year of bitch and blame infighting because Labour and SNP and Alice could have done so much better while at the same time they credit Doris with the intelligence to create a super virus in the staff canteen that has defeated the world best scientific minds working with an unlimited budget for the best part of a year .

There will be lots of errors to report but so long as we are not locked in to "the project" we can start paving a path to a future actually supported by the public .

 

[chapel gate]

Pretty much wot Shayne said.

Hows the fish job panned out for you boys?

We all rip the shit out of politicians, but I think Boris and Co have worked there backsides off on this.

He's only human, with a Mrs and young kid...

 

[Shayne]

Time will tell with the fishing but ultimately and finally it has been recognized that the industry is dying unnecessarily and that small financially insignificant cottage industry more or less built communities along about 20,000 miles of coastline where all roads lead to a city .

Fav quotes of the week (from memory)

"Boats have evolved to become much more efficient needing less crew" - reality we are not allowed to earn enough to pay a full crew a wage they might live on .

"Stocks are depleted" - reality 1 weeks quota can be caught in a few hours = we cannot afford to retain crew at a wage they might live on .