I=B9ve kept all the text in... So that makes me a good boy.
But I have to say that I object to the whole tone and implications of your
piece Reno.
Be interested to see what others have to say, unless of course everyone has
disappeared on their hols...
Jeremy
On 13/4/06 15:03, "Reno Lamb" <[Email address removed]> wrote:
> I must complain that several of us have recently posted to the list with 2
> serious errors in manners:
>
> 1) Whenever you post a reply, be absolutely certain to include all of the
> digest text in your reply. Everybody else's message on whatever bleeding topic
> they wrote about MUST be included. Every > is sacred. This makes us all feel
> certain that there is incredible surging and turgid interest in Julian's list,
> as it takes us 20 minutes to navigate each digest message.
>
> 2) The subject line is for poofters. ALL messages should have the subject
> line of "Re: [ELCO Digest]." This helps keep us from wasting time fixing our
> rigs or shagging our wives/girlfriends/inflatablelovedolls when we could
> instead be trying to figure out what the bloody hell your message is about.
> See examples above and below.
>
>
> Ceferino "Reno" Lamb
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
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>
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>
> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 18:46:49 +0100
> From: Peter Browning <[Email address removed]>
> Subject: Re: [ELCO] Veg oil / biodiesel as fuel
> Reply-To: [Email address removed]
> Thanks Julian
>
> I don't know of anywhere locally that sells biodiesel so that's probably
> a non-starter.
>
> As for SVO without telling the Revenue Men, I don't think I would chance
> my LC being seized and some huge fine levied!! Though I suppose one
> could declare less than one actually uses, no way of checking really.
>
> How much is bulk (say 25L drums) of suitable SVO? And theoretically what
> is the duty payable?
>
> Pete
>
> Julian Voelcker wrote:
>> > Hi Peter,
>> >
>> >
>>> >> Can I ask, does it actually work out any cheaper to use SVO or
>>> >> biodiesel?
>>> >>
>> >
>> > I don't actually make the biodiesel myself, but buy it at 85p per litre
>> > which is about 10p a litre cheaper than normal stuff.
>> >
>> > It is cheaper to use SVO even if you are a good boy and tell the tax
>> > man, although many people don't ;-)
>> > --
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Julian Voelcker
>> > Mobile: 07971 540362
>> > Skype: julianvoelcker
>> > Cirencester, United Kingdom
>> > 1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
>> >
>> >
>> > --
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>> > Further Info:
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>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>
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>
> From: <[Email address removed]>
> Subject: [ELCO]
> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:23:16 +0100
> Reply-To: [Email address removed]
> Julian,
>
> Thanks. IRT the 30th, my colorado has standard all weather tyres - will these
> be sufficient? Also, the current insurance cover does not allow for off road
> use. What would be best the technical term to use when liaising with the
> insurance firm for them to adequately cover the car for the 30th and some more
> similar off road driving.
>
> Once again, many thanks.
>
> MK.
>
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>
> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:38:33 +0100
> From: Roman <[Email address removed]>
> Subject: Re: [ELCO] Veg oil / biodiesel as fuel
> Reply-To: [Email address removed]
> On 4/11/06, Peter Browning <[Email address removed]> wrote:
>
>
>> > As for SVO without telling the Revenue Men, I don't think I would chance
>> > my LC being seized and some huge fine levied!! Though I suppose one
>> > could declare less than one actually uses, no way of checking really.
>
> Hello guys,
>
> What exactly are you supposed to tell the IR guys about biodiesel?
> What differrence does it make to your wallet if you do and if you don't?
> --
> Rgds,
> Roman (London, UK)
> '92 HDJ80
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:03:29 +0100
> From: Peter Browning <[Email address removed]>
> Subject: Re: [ELCO] Veg oil / biodiesel as fuel
> Reply-To: [Email address removed]
> Hi Roman
>
> My point was about standard (straight) vegetable oil ex-Tesco.
>
> Biodiesel usually comes duty paid I believe.
>
> Pete
>
> Roman wrote:
>> > On 4/11/06, Peter Browning <[Email address removed]> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>> >> As for SVO without telling the Revenue Men, I don't think I would chance
>>> >> my LC being seized and some huge fine levied!! Though I suppose one
>>> >> could declare less than one actually uses, no way of checking really.
>>> >>
>> >
>> > Hello guys,
>> >
>> > What exactly are you supposed to tell the IR guys about biodiesel?
>> > What differrence does it make to your wallet if you do and if you don't?
>> > --
>> > Rgds,
>> > Roman (London, UK)
>> > '92 HDJ80
>> > --
>> > European Land Cruiser Owners Mailing List
>> > Further Info:
http://www.landcruisers.info/lists/
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:07:31 +0100
> From: Peter Browning <[Email address removed]>
> Subject: Re: [ELCO] Veg oil / biodiesel as fuel
> Reply-To: [Email address removed]
> These are the previous and current rates of road fuel duty.
>
> It appears that if biodiesel is being sold at circa 0.85 / litre
> someone is ripping off their customers as the duty rate is a little less
> than half that for standard diesel.
>
> No mention of the applicable duty on SVO though. I'm guessing it will be
> the same as biodiesel?
>
> ULSD 47.10 p per litre 48.35 p per litre
> Sulphur Free Diesel 47.10 p per litre 48.35 p per litre
> Biodiesel 27.10 p per litre 28.35 p perlitre
> LPG 9 pence kg 10.81 per kg
> Natural Gas 10.8 per kg 12.21 per kg
> Rebated Gas Oil 6.44 per litre 7.69 per litre
>
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>
> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:09:15 +0100
> From: Peter Browning <[Email address removed]>
> Subject: Re: [ELCO] Veg oil / biodiesel as fuel
> Reply-To: [Email address removed]
> On further investigation it seems that the reduced duty rate for
> biodiesel is only applicable until 2007/2008 tax year so after then it
> will rise thus making biodiesel more expensive than regular diesel???
>
> Pete
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
> From: "Rob Edwards" <[Email address removed]>
> Subject: RE: [ELCO]
> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:48:19 +0100
> Reply-To: [Email address removed]
> Is this off road use? are BOATS road?
>
> Rob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [Email address removed] [mailto:[Email address removed]] On
> Behalf Of [Email address removed]
> Sent: 11 April 2006 19:23
> To: [Email address removed]
> Subject: [ELCO]
>
> Julian,
>
> Thanks. IRT the 30th, my colorado has standard all weather tyres - will
> these be sufficient? Also, the current insurance cover does not allow for
> off road use. What would be best the technical term to use when liaising
> with the insurance firm for them to adequately cover the car for the 30th
> and some more similar off road driving.
>
> Once again, many thanks.
>
> MK.
>
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>
> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:54:54 +0100
> From: Peter Browning <[Email address removed]>
> Subject: Re: [ELCO]
> Reply-To: [Email address removed]
> Technically BOATs, RUPPs and UCRs are roads.
>
> However, most insurers when they say off-road actually mean off-tarmac.
> I had this issue recently and tried to clever-talk my way out of it by
> using phrases like "it will only be used on vehicular rights of way".
> They didn't fall for it. Off tarmac (meaning green lanes) =3D off-road to
> most insurers.
>
> In the same vein the AA / RAC won't recover you from a green lane, not
> for free anyway.
>
> Pete
>
> Rob Edwards wrote:
>> > Is this off road use? are BOATS road?
>> >
>> > Rob
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: [Email address removed] [mailto:[Email address removed]] On
>> > Behalf Of [Email address removed]
>> > Sent: 11 April 2006 19:23
>> > To: [Email address removed]
>> > Subject: [ELCO]
>> >
>> > Julian,
>> >
>> > Thanks. IRT the 30th, my colorado has standard all weather tyres - will
>> > these be sufficient? Also, the current insurance cover does not allow for
>> > off road use. What would be best the technical term to use when liaising
>> > with the insurance firm for them to adequately cover the car for the 30th
>> > and some more similar off road driving.
>> >
>> > Once again, many thanks.
>> >
>> > MK.
>> >
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>> >
>> >
>> >
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>
> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 23:00:31 +0100
> Subject: Re: [ELCO] Salisbury and Tyres
> From: Julian Voelcker <[Email address removed]>
> Reply-To: [Email address removed]
> Hi,
>
> The others have pretty well answered your question about the insurance.
>
>> > my colorado has standard all weather tyres - will these be sufficient?
>
> Arethey all terrain tyres or all weather. Last time out I had someone
> in my group with pretty well standard road tyres and did fine. At the
> end of the day if you get stuck there will always be someone around to
> pull you out - all part of the fun ;-0
> --
> Regards,
>
> Julian Voelcker
> Mobile: 07971 540362
> Skype: julianvoelcker
> Cirencester, United Kingdom
> 1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
>
>
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>
> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 23:17:15 +0100
> Subject: Re: [ELCO] Veg oil / biodiesel as fuel
> From: Julian Voelcker <[Email address removed]>
> Reply-To: [Email address removed]
> Hi Roman,
>
>> > What exactly are you supposed to tell the IR guys about biodiesel?
>> > What differrence does it make to your wallet if you do and if you don't?
>
> Duty has to be paid on anything that you put into your tank, whether this
> is done by the supplier as will forecourt fuel or the biodiesel that I
> buy.
>
> If you are buying veg oil from Tescos and putting it into your tank I
> believe you would need to register with the tax people and then pay them
> duty on the oil you put into your tank.
>
> The rates of duty vary according to the type of fuel you are putting in as
> Peter has pointed out.
>
> I understand that if your tank is dipped or your exhaust is sniffed (the
> modern way of testing) and you are using non standard fuel that no duty
> has been paid for you could end up with the usual big fines and possiblity
> of your vehicle being impounded.
>
> My biodiesel supplier allways logs who buys what and also insists that we
> take a receipt from him just on the off chance that we do get tested.
> --
> Regards,
>
> Julian Voelcker
> Mobile: 07971 540362
> Skype: julianvoelcker
> Cirencester, United Kingdom
> 1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
>
>
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 23:17:18 +0100
> Subject: Re: [ELCO] Veg oil / biodiesel as fuel
> From: Julian Voelcker <[Email address removed]>
> Reply-To: [Email address removed]
> Hi Peter,
>
>> > It appears that if biodiesel is being sold at circa 0.85 / litre
>> > someone is ripping off their customers as the duty rate is a little less
>> > than half that for standard diesel.
>
> I believe that if you are making it yourself and getting the WVO for free
> it would come out to around 55p per litre once you have paid the duty,
> however it is difficult to source WVO for free in any quantities and also
> once you start adding up the processing and labour costs as well as
> premisis, advertising, etc, I think 85p per litre is a reasonable price.
>
> Some suppliers actually charge more for Biodiesel than normal diesel due to
> the gree factor - in the same way that people pay silly money for 'organic
> free range' eggs.
> --
> Regards,
>
> Julian Voelcker
> Mobile: 07971 540362
> Skype: julianvoelcker
> Cirencester, United Kingdom
> 1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
>
>
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 23:41:16 +0100
> From: Peter Browning <[Email address removed]>
> Subject: Re: [ELCO] Veg oil / biodiesel as fuel
> Reply-To: [Email address removed]
> But biodiesel (and SVO) is not particularly (or even slightly)
> "eco-friendly".
>
> The original crop that the oil is obtained from is usually farmed
> intensively, with high inputs of fertilizer (ecologically costly to
> produce) + the fuel and energy consumed by the planting / fertilizing /
> weedkilling machinery during the growth cycle + the fuel and energy used
> up in the harvesting & processing of the crop + storage and transport
> energy etc. Then to produce the biodiesel from the new or waste veg oil
> uses sodium or potassium hydroxide + methanol, all of which consumes
> energy to produce. Then of course you have the problem of disposing of
> the toxic wastes from the conversion process.
>
> Then if bio-fuels are to be produced in any sort of quantity huge
> acreages of farmland would have to be turned over to oilseed production,
> so where do we then grow the food?
>
> So marketing it as carbon-neutral, or green, or eco-friendly or whatever
> buzz-term is very misleading.
>
> It's a bit like saying electricity is a non-polluting form of energy -
> it's not of course, it simply shifts the pollution elsewhere i.e. the
> power stations.
>
> Pete
>
> Julian Voelcker wrote:
>> > Hi Peter,
>> >
>> >
>>> >> It appears that if biodiesel is being sold at circa 0.85 / litre
>>> >> someone is ripping off their customers as the duty rate is a little less
>>> >> than half that for standard diesel.
>>> >>
>> >
>> > I believe that if you are making it yourself and getting the WVO for free
>> > it would come out to around 55p per litre once you have paid the duty,
>> > however it is difficult to source WVO for free in any quantities and also
>> > once you start adding up the processing and labour costs as well as
>> > premisis, advertising, etc, I think 85p per litre is a reasonable price.
>> >
>> > Some suppliers actually charge more for Biodiesel than normal diesel due to
>> > the gree factor - in the same way that people pay silly money for 'organic
>> > free range' eggs.
>> > --
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Julian Voelcker
>> > Mobile: 07971 540362
>> > Skype: julianvoelcker
>> > Cirencester, United Kingdom
>> > 1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
>> >
>> >
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>> > Further Info:
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>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>
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>
> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 01:14:12 +0100
> From: Roman <[Email address removed]>
> Subject: Re: [ELCO] Veg oil / biodiesel as fuel
> Reply-To: [Email address removed]
> On 4/11/06, Peter Browning <[Email address removed]> wrote:
>
> Julian,
>
>> > Some suppliers actually charge more for Biodiesel than normal diesel due =3D
> to
>> > the gree factor - in the same way that people pay silly money for 'organi=3D
> c
>> > free range' eggs.
>
> Taxing tree-hugging freaks to subsidise robber oil barons! I like that!
>
>> > Duty has to be paid on anything that you put into your tank
>
> Are you saying that the road legal steam powered tractors pay tax on water?
>
> ---
> Rgds,
> Roman (London, UK)
> '92 HDJ80
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>
> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 01:31:31 +0100
> Subject: Re: [ELCO] Veg oil / biodiesel as fuel
> From: Julian Voelcker <[Email address removed]>
> Reply-To: [Email address removed]
> Hi Peter,
>
>> > So marketing it as carbon-neutral, or green, or eco-friendly or whatever
>> > buzz-term is very misleading.
>> >
>> > It's a bit like saying electricity is a non-polluting form of energy -
>> > it's not of course, it simply shifts the pollution elsewhere i.e. the
>> > power stations.
>
> I agree, you can have great fun arguing all these issues. Checkout my
> suppliers site (
http://www.goodfuels.co.uk/) for some of the arguements!
>
> I'm going to keep to my Biodiesel because it gives others a nice warm glow!
>
> I love the one that you get zero polution from all these fuel cell cars and
> everybody forgets the all the coal/gas/uranium etc that is burnt up to
> produce the electricity to charge the batteries or produce the hydrogen!
> --
> Regards,
>
> Julian Voelcker
> Mobile: 07971 540362
> Skype: julianvoelcker
> Cirencester, United Kingdom
> 1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
>
>
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>
> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:01:19 +0100
> Subject: Re: [ELCO] Veg oil / biodiesel as fuel
> From: Julian Voelcker <[Email address removed]>
> Reply-To: [Email address removed]
> Hi Roman,
>
>> > Are you saying that the road legal steam powered tractors pay tax on water?
>
> No, because water isn't the fuel ;-), it's coal and I wouldn't be surprised
> if Mr Brown has put a tax on that.
> --
> Regards,
>
> Julian Voelcker
> Mobile: 07971 540362
> Skype: julianvoelcker
> Cirencester, United Kingdom
> 1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
>
>
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>
> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:21:44 +0100
> From: Jon C-W <[Email address removed]>
> Subject: RE: [ELCO] Insurance - 12 month green card
> Reply-To: [Email address removed]
>
> Before I start - JULIAN - my digest last night seemed a bit
> foreshortened. Below is the header from the first message at the top
> of the digest.
> Subject: RE: [ELCO] Insurance - 12 month green card
> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:08:20 +0100
> From: "John Strang" <[Email address removed]>
> Reply-To: [Email address removed]
>
> Following messages from Clive and Chris appear to refer to other
> comments made which unfortunately do not appear on my digest. In fact
> they appear in turn to refer to a posting I made early Tuesday which
> also does not appear in my digest. So I might be groping in the dark
> here, but you will show sympathy I know ;-)
>
> However.
>
> Following comment by Chris and Clive, can I just clear-up any
> confusion I may have caused about Austria. In passing I did mention
> the Schengen area. So let me clear this up. Schengen is an agreement
> by a few 'old' EU members for the elimination of overt border
> controls. From memory this exists between Denmark, the Benelux
> countries, Germany, France, Spain, Italy and Austria. So when you
> cross the border between those states in theory you will not go
> through any form of obvious control. (Though one day whilst having a
> break at the old - now 'open' - Aachen border post we saw the police
> stop a car, put it into an open-sided tent and then turn it over.)
>
> Austria has open borders to the Schengen neighbours, Italy and
> Germany, and controlled borders to the non-Schengen neighbours -
> Czechia, Slovakia, Hungary and Slovenia. Crossing to Switzerland of
> course is neither and has the usual controls. But for anyone
> crossing any borders in the EU that appear not to be controlled,
> don't you believe it, there are covert controls in operation. Big
> brother has his eye on you. Risk not buying the Austrian road carnet
> at your peril !
>
> Cheers
>
> Jon
> '92 HZJ80 ex UN Bosnia surplus
>
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>
> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:00:07 +0100 (BST)
> From: Sripadmanaban Bhalamurali <[Email address removed]>
> Subject: [ELCO] AWDC Non damaging Familiy Vehicle Trials
> Reply-To: [Email address removed]
> Hello Everyone,
>
> AWDC non damaging Family Vehicle Trial is on this
> Saturday in Godsell Farm, Wiltshire. I will be there
> as a spectator. I am thinking of getting involve in
> trials. Can gain good offroad driving skills (slow as
> possible, fast as necessary) through trials.
>
> If any one interested please come along.
>
> For direction:
>
http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?client=3Dpublic&X=3D399000.999999408&Y=3D1775
> 00.881483067&width=3D700&height=3D400&gride=3D398899.999999408&gridn=3D177699.88148306
> 7&srec=3D0&coordsys=3Dgb&db=3Dgrid&addr1=3D&addr2=3D&addr3=3D&pc=3D&advanced=3D&local=3D&localin
> fosel=3D&kw=3D&inmap=3D&table=3D&ovtype=3D&keepicon=3Dtrue&zm=3D0&scale=3D10000&out.x=3D6&out.y=3D
> 9
> <
http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?client=3Dpublic&X=3D399000.999999408&Y=3D177
> 500.881483067&width=3D700&height=3D400&gride=3D398899.999999408&gridn=3D177699.8814830
> 67&srec=3D0&coordsys=3Dgb&db=3Dgrid&addr1=3D&addr2=3D&addr3=3D&pc=3D&advanced=3D&local=3D&locali
> nfosel=3D&kw=3D&inmap=3D&tab>
> <
http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?client=3Dpublic&X=3D399000.999999408&a
> mp;Y=3D177500.881483067&width=3D700&height=3D400&gride=3D398899.999999408&
> amp;gridn=3D177699.881483067&srec=3D0&coordsys=3Dgb&db=3Dgrid&addr1=3D&a
> mp;addr2=3D&addr3=3D&a> ).
>
>
> ST989777 is the grid reference. You need to find the
> site, it is at the rear of RAF Lyneham airfield.
>
> For AWDC events/trials please visit:
>
http://www.awdc.co.uk/data/awdc.nsf/Calendar Page?OpenForm
>
> Cheers,
> Sripad
> 1990 2.4TD LJ70
> Basingstoke, UK
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:36:59 +0100 (BST)
> Subject: Re: [ELCO] [ADMIN] Sailsbury Plain Registration
> From: [Email address removed]
> Reply-To: [Email address removed]
> Julian
> I need to wait until the relevant insurance papers come through
> Renate
>
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > So far we have had 14 vehicles registered and yet I know that there are
>> > many more of you planning on coming along.
>> >
>> > If you are coming, please could you register on the site sooner rather
>> > than later so that I have a better idea of numbers and give me more
>> > time to organise things.
>> >
>> > Thanks.
>> > --
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Julian Voelcker
>> > Mobile: 07971 540362
>> > Skype: julianvoelcker
>> > Cirencester, United Kingdom
>> > 1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > European Land Cruiser Owners Mailing List
>> > Further Info:
http://www.landcruisers.info/lists/
>> >
>> >
>
>
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>
> From: [Email address removed]
> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:45:30 EDT
> Subject: [ELCO] sailsburyplain
> Reply-To: [Email address removed]
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> i own a jeep.
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>
> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:52:50 +0100 (BST)
> Subject: RE: [ELCO] Motorway permits (& Insurance - green card)
> From: [Email address removed]
> Reply-To: [Email address removed]
> Chris
> You will have to consider getting an austrian, and if you venture into
> hungary at any point, a motorway "pass" at the nearest service station to
> any of these borders, after you get a carnet if you need one - I didn't
> but chose one of the RAC or AA versions [green card] which do offer you
> some protection but I don't know what for, since I never found out, and
> anyway, it seemed a good idea at the time...basically its not to do with
> insurance cover as such, but I guess there is a clause in it somewhere
> (they like to make money of us travellers....).
> The other thing to consider: if you have AA or RAC europe-wide cover (and
> that includes austria) check the small print, because if something goes
> kaputt on your car, you won't have to pay the garages with AA membership,
> as they have a reciprical agreement with the austrian garages (mine was a
> toyo garge but I had to pay nearly 200 euros, because the RAC does not
> have the similar kind of reciprical agreement....I wasn't told this before
> I left the UK, I did enquire but they said I'd be covered - I wasn't -
> always check the small print...
> Renate
>
>
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>
> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:33:01 +0100 (BST)
> Subject: [ELCO] [referring to previous posts re insurance - Chat]
> From: [Email address removed]
> Reply-To: [Email address removed]
> All
> Most insurance companies in my experience don't like talking about, or
> even merely mentioning 'off-roading' or 'green-laning' because when I've
> asked in the past they look at you funny and say "what do you actually
> mena by 'off-roading'"? I've said farm-tracks and neglected half-tarmaced
> roads, or I make an excuse saying when I go off-roading I'll take out
> extra insurance..which I haven't and didn't. The less brighter sparks
> seem okay with it, but I know, sooner or later I'm going to come
> unstuck...
> The best bet I think is something both Gareth and Roman mentioned,
> insurance companies that will insure farm-vehicles.
> I haven't checked out many but my quoted premiums are still a bit on the
> high side for me so it doesn't really make economic sense for me to do
> this, as I don't do much except when I go oversees. I guess I deal with
> this issue in my head by accepting full responsibility for the fact that
> I'm not actually ever insured for off-roading...
> I don't know what would happen if I ever was in a compromising position,
> and I can't really offer any good advice on this. I think in my case it
> will always be a situation where I spend a great deal of my time checking
> out companies that might one day give me a favourable premium, but until
> then I don't tend to mention off-roading. I'd have to if I was doing a
> sustained spell of off-roading of course, but that won't happen til 2007
> at least.
> Just a few pennies worth of pretty worthless info..
> Renate
>
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> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:22:47 +0100
> From: Peter Browning <[Email address removed]>
> Subject: Re: [ELCO] [referring to previous posts re insurance - Chat]
> Reply-To: [Email address removed]
> My squabble over "off-road" use was with the NFU for goodness sake!
>
> It only cropped up because I fitted an OME 50mm lift + Simex tyres and,
> like a good boy I notified them. After countless phone calls arguing
> over them wanting an engineers report on the suspension they decide to
> accept them without one. Lo and behold, one week later a letter arrives
> from said NFU asking me to confirm that the vehicle will not be used for
> off road use. I said that it will only be used on vehicular rights of
> way but they were having none of it! Tarmac roads only.
>
> If the NFU won't insure me then who the hell will???
>
> Pete
> --
> European Land Cruiser Owners Mailing List
> Further Info:
http://www.landcruisers.info/lists/ELCOInfo.html
>
