Hi guys-that's what i've got for some time ago and yet haven't
decided what to do:
From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" <[Email address removed]>
Date: December 23, 2005 12:05:18 AM GMT+01:00
To: Lubomir Kolev <[Email address removed]>
Cc: "All American Imports - Sales Dept." <[Email address removed]>, All American Imports <[Email address removed]>
Subject: Re: Intercooler
Reply-To: [Email address removed]
On 20 Dec 2005 at 16:30, Lubomir Kolev wrote:
Hi Willem
Do you know someone in Holand who can install intercooler for my HDJ
80-96mod and what might be the effect of it?
Seasons Greetings
Lubo
Hello Lubo,
I have only one good address I can recommend to you, All American
Imports in Kaatsheuvel/Holland, who not only sells intercoolers, but
is also designer & producer (as well as for various turbo-
configurations and other 1HD-(F)T(E) engine tuning), address see
below.
As far as results/performance goes, here some stuff you might want to
read, in particular about the almost mandatory combination of a
better/larger exhaust (can all be ordered from the same shop):
http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/1hd-intc.txt
http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/80_intercooler.txt
http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/80_exhau.txt
http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/1hd-ft_fuelpump-calibration.txt
(only the latter I have not done yet, as ours doesn't seem to be
restricted in this context in any way)
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All American Imports
(ask for Maarten Verschure or George Muskens)
Veerweg 6
Kaatsheuvel
The Netherlands, Europe
Voice: +31 416 540167
Fax: +31 416 272304
Email: [Email address removed]
[Email address removed]
http://www.all-american.nl/
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(this message CC to AAI, so that they know who sent you to them, and
can perhaps already send you some information & prices by email)
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Bye,
Willem-Jan Markerink
The desire to understand
is sometimes far less intelligent than
the inability to understand
<[Email address removed]>
[note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!]
But still the best one to consult I think is Craig Vinsent-but he
wrote so much on that subject so I think he got tired to write it
again(I tried to save his last 'article' but manage somehow to save
only the picture :-(
Good luck guys!!!!!!!!
Lubo
HDJ80-96mod
On May 27, 2006, at 12:48 PM, John Byrne wrote:
> Hey Christopher
> I agree with you if it wont pay back than unless you use the extra
> power or torque then why bother at all. I have got quotes from
> others but not too sure about the quality as yet. I need to know
> more about the ins and outs of intercoolers and how thay are made
> and when differences there is between each model that will make it > better or worse.
> So I have to ask more questions of more people to get to a decision.
> I know Allosport have quoted me a lot less than what you said but
> again need to look futher into it as price is important but not
> every thing. But like you said every one who has fitted the bigger
> exhaust and or the intercooler report beter every thing in
> performance etc.
> Sometimes I have the luxury of not knowing enough about a lot of
> things so dont have a conflict in my head against what I know
> versus facts from others. As I dont know much I tend to rely on
> facts from a lot of people and then totally rely on the facts from
> a very few whom I concider know a lot and I trust.
> cheers
> john92HDJ 80 1HDT
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Bell"
> <[Email address removed]>
> To: <[Email address removed]>
> Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 11:23 AM
> Subject: RE: [ELCO] intercooler
>
>
> Craig
>
> I can see that not having to push it to high revs to accelerate
> would help, but I'd have thought that this effect would be less
> marked with a manual box and a light right foot.
>
> But I still struggle to see how, at constant speed and hence
> constant revs, there can be much improvement in economy.
>
> Perhaps the fuel/air mixture at (say) 70mph is too rich and adding
> a greater mass of air improves matters. But I find this surprising > since all the mixture curves I've seen for diesels suggest that the > mixture is usually too lean until you reach about 80% power, at
> which point it goes too rich. And I can't believe that I'm using
> more than 40% of max power at 70mph if power vs speed is a squared
> or higher relationship and max speed is 110mph.
>
> On the other hand everyone who has added an intercooler to these
> trucks reports substantially better fuel economy, so who an I to
> argue with reality?
>
> By the sound of it the Maartens version from AAM in Holland is the
> best engineered solution, especially for the 1HD-FT motor with its
> more complex crossover pipe and manifold - but it ain't cheap! He
> quoted 1735 Euros fitted in 2003, so I reckon nudging =A31400 by the > time you've driven over there & stayed two nights. (No, I wouldn't > try doing it myself!)
>
> If it gives 20% better economy, or say =A316/tankful at current
> prices, that needs 88 tanks full (ie 44+k miles), giving a payback
> period of nearly 4 years. Hmm, not out of the question, but still
> expensive.
>
> CB
>
>
> | Hi Christopher,
> | On my 1HD-FT I picked up a easy 20% improvement in economy
> | with Maartens intercooler. I put this down to a combination
> | of two things without the intercooler I was pumping air itno
> | the inlet manifold at 85-110 degrees C with the intercooler
> | this has dropped to 20-35 degrees C which effectively
> | improves volumetric efficiency (larger mass of air in the
> | cylinders) and you end up with so much more mid range torque
> | in general driving you are surfing on the strong mid range
> | torque not having to rev the engine to get it to do
> | something. The truck is much more relaxing to drive as it is
> | so much more responsive. I have seen similar results on many
> | different diesels. It is feasible to get quite big gains in
> | power, close to 100%, yet while cruising gain substantial
> | improvements in economy, I know this tends to sound counter
> | intuitive and it generally is when making big power gains ona
> | petrol engine but diesel turbo's are different animals.
> |
> | Cheers,
> | Craig.
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