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Hello all
I'm not going to confess to doing anything stupid as I'd be writing all
day...
I am going to confess to fitting a long range tank under my car, where the
spare wheel often goes as there is a huge amount of space that otherwise
will be wasted. I know a few out there have done it but I'm just wondering
about size and weight. Amongst other things I will be fitting new springs
and shocks and bushes etc but I am trying to keep the weight increase to a
minimum. So no twin Kaymar wheel holders + rear bar, no drawer system in the
load area etc. I'm looking to get a total range of about 1,000 kms so as
well as my standard 80 litre tank, so wondered if anyone out there could
advise on capacity and cost etc. Diesel consumption will obviously be
affected by weight and once we're loaded up and ready to go the vehicle
could weigh a bit. But I'm determined to keep weight to a minimum.
So, you long range tankers out there, I would appreciate your thoughts as
always...
'93 SHDJ81V
2001 Pentax 6x7
2001 Hasselblad X-pan
Ancient peli case full of film...
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Jeremy Llewellyn-Jones
 
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Jeremy - I was having a look at the same topic a few weeks ago. There
are a considerable number of posts in the Birfield archives - the
Australian based posts are the best as they are mainly diesel related.
In the UK both Roman and Renate ( please come back we miss you ) , both
have long range tanks. There are a lot of options, seperate or
integrated tanks, mods to the filler necks, electrically pumping from
one tank to the other, and there are some pitfalls that one can fall
into. Lots of research is essential before parting with the hard earned
cash.
Gareth Jones - Instamatic and Box Brownie, in the attic. A single 70
gallon fuel tank on my Scammell !!!
 
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Hi Jeremy,
I do not have one of these long range tanks but Frogs Island 4x4 should be
able to help you,
http://www.frogsisland4x4.com/home.php. They import ARB and OME stuff and
the long ranger tank which is in there brochure may be OK for you 01235 832
100.
Anthony Graham
1994HDJ801HD-T
West Wales
UK
-----Original Message-----
From: [Email address removed] [mailto:[Email address removed]] On
Behalf Of Jeremy Llewellyn-Jones
Sent: 18 February 2005 11:41
To: [Email address removed]
Subject: Re: [ELCO] long range fuel tank
Hello all
I'm not going to confess to doing anything stupid as I'd be writing all
day...
I am going to confess to fitting a long range tank under my car, where the
spare wheel often goes as there is a huge amount of space that otherwise
will be wasted. I know a few out there have done it but I'm just wondering
about size and weight. Amongst other things I will be fitting new springs
and shocks and bushes etc but I am trying to keep the weight increase to a
minimum. So no twin Kaymar wheel holders + rear bar, no drawer system in the
load area etc. I'm looking to get a total range of about 1,000 kms so as
well as my standard 80 litre tank, so wondered if anyone out there could
advise on capacity and cost etc. Diesel consumption will obviously be
affected by weight and once we're loaded up and ready to go the vehicle
could weigh a bit. But I'm determined to keep weight to a minimum.
So, you long range tankers out there, I would appreciate your thoughts as
always...
'93 SHDJ81V
2001 Pentax 6x7
2001 Hasselblad X-pan
Ancient peli case full of film...
--
Jeremy Llewellyn-Jones
 
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Jeremy,
Frogs Island Brochure has one listed
166 liters =A3460
Transfer pump kit =A3125
Labour =A3400
Fuel gauge sender sundry switch and cable etc. =A375
Labour =A3100
Anthony
-----Original Message-----
From: [Email address removed] [mailto:[Email address removed]] On
Behalf Of Anthony Graham
Sent: 18 February 2005 12:03
To: [Email address removed]
Subject: RE: [ELCO] long range fuel tank
Hi Jeremy,
I do not have one of these long range tanks but Frogs Island 4x4 should be
able to help you,
http://www.frogsisland4x4.com/home.php. They import ARB and OME stuff and
the long ranger tank which is in there brochure may be OK for you 01235 832
100.
Anthony Graham
1994HDJ801HD-T
West Wales
UK
-----Original Message-----
From: [Email address removed] [mailto:[Email address removed]] On
Behalf Of Jeremy Llewellyn-Jones
Sent: 18 February 2005 11:41
To: [Email address removed]
Subject: Re: [ELCO] long range fuel tank
Hello all
I'm not going to confess to doing anything stupid as I'd be writing all
day...
I am going to confess to fitting a long range tank under my car, where the
spare wheel often goes as there is a huge amount of space that otherwise
will be wasted. I know a few out there have done it but I'm just wondering
about size and weight. Amongst other things I will be fitting new springs
and shocks and bushes etc but I am trying to keep the weight increase to a
minimum. So no twin Kaymar wheel holders + rear bar, no drawer system in the
load area etc. I'm looking to get a total range of about 1,000 kms so as
well as my standard 80 litre tank, so wondered if anyone out there could
advise on capacity and cost etc. Diesel consumption will obviously be
affected by weight and once we're loaded up and ready to go the vehicle
could weigh a bit. But I'm determined to keep weight to a minimum.
So, you long range tankers out there, I would appreciate your thoughts as
always...
'93 SHDJ81V
2001 Pentax 6x7
2001 Hasselblad X-pan
Ancient peli case full of film...
--
Jeremy Llewellyn-Jones
 
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Thanks one and all. Cost is a bit of a shock but there you go. Not as
expensive as being as stuck in the middle of the sahara with a few empty
jerrys...
Also speaking to Footloose 4x4 about this too.
Jeremy
PS Pentax 6x7s do have some value but with everyone moving to digital there
are a lot of film cameras out there for sale. I'm sticking with film. Better
quality etc and I just love taking loads of exposed rolls into my lab of
choice in London and waiting nervously for 2 hours to see if all is ok. Best
way to sharpen up your technique!
On 18/2/05 12:15 pm, "Anthony Graham" <[Email address removed]> wrote:
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Jeremy,
There are other solutions to buying a ready made bit of kit as there are
tank fabricators about who will make a tank for you in stainless steel and
also it is possible to have a plastic tank made to fit what ever shape you
require, all you would need to do then is find the delivery and senders etc.
Anthony
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From: [Email address removed] [mailto:[Email address removed]] On
Behalf Of Jeremy Llewellyn-Jones
Sent: 18 February 2005 12:29
To: [Email address removed]
Subject: Re: [ELCO] long range fuel tank
Thanks one and all. Cost is a bit of a shock but there you go. Not as
expensive as being as stuck in the middle of the sahara with a few empty
jerrys...
Also speaking to Footloose 4x4 about this too.
Jeremy
PS Pentax 6x7s do have some value but with everyone moving to digital there
are a lot of film cameras out there for sale. I'm sticking with film. Better
quality etc and I just love taking loads of exposed rolls into my lab of
choice in London and waiting nervously for 2 hours to see if all is ok. Best
way to sharpen up your technique!
On 18/2/05 12:15 pm, "Anthony Graham" <[Email address removed]> wrote:
=A3460
=A3400
=A3100
 
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On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 11:41:14 +0000, Jeremy Llewellyn-Jones
<[Email address removed]> wrote:
Jeremy,
Have you already bought the tank and fittings? If not, and you are
going to get it from Footllose4x4, make sure they suply you with the
correct split filler neck.
Amongst other things I will be fitting new springs
Good luck! We will keep our fingers crossed for you!
With 170L+80 L you can easily achieve 1200 km on tarmac. I recently
did a run across Europe and clocked ca 900 miles on two tanks.
Diesel consumption is equally affected by the type of surface. Soft
surface will cause the engine to burn twice as much fuel as a hard
surface. ISTR Tom Sheppard's " Vehicle Dependent Expedition Guide"
provides a formula how to calculate fuel consumption vs surface type.
It's all very theoretical, though, because in reality codnitions
change avery few miles and you don't drive with a calculator in hand.
I think it's safe to assume the worst possible conditions enroute,
then add 20-25% reserve and one should never run out of fuel.
As for system architecture, I've always supported the view that two
tanks in parallel are far better than two in line. Using good quality
hardware, running fuel lines and wiring takes some thought and money
but is worth the effort.
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Rgds,
Roman (London, UK)
'92 HDJ80
 
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Jeremy,
I dont know about the earlier cruisers but on the later one's
there is no pump in the tank, this is a duel pump on the engine. This
means that you do not need a transfer pump for the second tank. You
only need to fit a Two way valve to switch from one tank to the other.
You will of course need to wire for guage etc. I looked in to the ARB
tank a few months ago and the fitting kit cost was a lot more than the
tank.
Regards, Clive Marks.
 
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Hi Jeremy,
Something else to consider, you can get a drop in replacement for your
standard tank that virtually doubles the capacity which saves a lot of
rethinking about plumbing, etc.
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift, ARB
 
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Hi Jeremy,
Something else to consider, you can get a drop in replacement for your
standard tank that virtually doubles the capacity which saves a lot of
rethinking about plumbing, etc.
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift, ARB
 
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Thanks Julian. Wasn't aware of this but a total of 160 litres may be enough
for my needs. I can always add jerries if needed. Presumably this would be a
bit cheaper too....
Jeremy
On 21/2/05 9:58 am, "Julian Voelcker" <[Email address removed]> wrote:
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Jeremy Llewellyn-Jones
07831 458 793
 
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Thanks Julian. Wasn't aware of this but a total of 160 litres may be enough
for my needs. I can always add jerries if needed. Presumably this would be a
bit cheaper too....
Jeremy
On 21/2/05 9:58 am, "Julian Voelcker" <[Email address removed]> wrote:
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Jeremy Llewellyn-Jones
07831 458 793
 
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Hi Jeremy,
Not sure, but suspect so.
Have a look at the ARB site at http://www.arb.com.au/ for more info.
Their site is irritatingly brief on product details, but I gather they
do do a Long Ranger drop in replacement.
--
Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift, ARB
 
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Hi Jeremy,
Not sure, but suspect so.
Have a look at the ARB site at http://www.arb.com.au/ for more info.
Their site is irritatingly brief on product details, but I gather they
do do a Long Ranger drop in replacement.
--
Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift, ARB
 
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Jeremy,
Have you considered using a standard 80 Tank as an addition?
Anthony Graham
19941HDJ801HD-T
West Wales
UK
-----Original Message-----
From: [Email address removed] [mailto:[Email address removed]] On
Behalf Of Jeremy Llewellyn-Jones
Sent: 18 February 2005 12:29
To: [Email address removed]
Subject: Re: [ELCO] long range fuel tank
Thanks one and all. Cost is a bit of a shock but there you go. Not as
expensive as being as stuck in the middle of the sahara with a few empty
jerrys...
Also speaking to Footloose 4x4 about this too.
Jeremy
PS Pentax 6x7s do have some value but with everyone moving to digital there
are a lot of film cameras out there for sale. I'm sticking with film. Better
quality etc and I just love taking loads of exposed rolls into my lab of
choice in London and waiting nervously for 2 hours to see if all is ok. Best
way to sharpen up your technique!
On 18/2/05 12:15 pm, "Anthony Graham" <[Email address removed]> wrote:
=A3460
=A3400
=A3100
 
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