Loss of RUPPs and National Parks

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Well, for me and one or two others that I know, a hell of a lot!!! >:o
Pete
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As I read it (in last Saturday's Torygraph) the proposed changes don't
affect existing RUPPs and BOATs, but rather remove the right to assert
rights of way for vehicles on potential future ones.
Or did I not read it carefully enough?
Christopher Bell
ps: Translation for those not in the UK:
"RUPP" =3D "Road Used as a Public Path",
"BOAT" =3D "Byway Open to All Traffic"
Both qualify as places where you have the right to take a 4x4 legally
off road, on the basis that these are historical "roads" that simply
haven't acquired tarmac. There is pressure to bring in legislation to
stop this.
Oh, and "Torygraph" =3D The Daily Telegraph newspaper =3D very right wing
(Tory) biased national newspaper, supposedly read by the wives of those
who used to run the country...
| -----Original Message-----
| From: [Email address removed]
| [mailto:[Email address removed]] On Behalf Of Ian Packer
| Sent: 16 November 2005 14:24
| To: [Email address removed]
| Subject: [ELCO] Loss of RUPPs and National Parks
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| So how is the proposed loss of RUPPs and National Park Byways
| going to impact folk?
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| Ian.
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Oh no!!... not again (said the bowl of petunias.....!)
Christopher, you didn't read it half way carefully enough!!!
Once NERC and the final bits of CROW get on the statute books then all
RUPPs will be illegal to drive. That's about 65% of all the lanes we
currently drive!!
CROW states that all RUPPs will become restricted byways, "without
prejudice to existing higher rights". This was a loophole that the gov
and the antis didn't notice and it would mean that Restricted Byways
would not be restricted! Confused?... read on.
Section 62 of the NERC Bill seks to close that loophole by stating that
ANY vehicular rights not expressly recorded on the definitive map will
be extinguished. A RUPP by definition has unrecorded vehicular rights -
if they were recorded it would be a BOAT, again by definition. So at the
stroke of a pen any rights that might exist on RUPPs, dual status UCR's
and possibly "normal" UCR's will be lost forever!
And we're not talking about a mythical date in the far future, probably
this will happen before Christmas.
And what will happen then - well, all the traffic currently using RUPPs
will converge on the few decent BOATs that are left thus leading to
overuse and closure by TRO. Give it two years and there will be no
(legally) driveable green lanes left!
Pete
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Oh, and I forgot...
The National Parks will be given the right to TRO any route within their
boundaries at will so any BOATs within national parks will go as well.
Peter Browning
Coutryside Recreational Access Group
Membership Officer
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Sorry Pete
This petunia has had its wrist thoroughly slapped. (I don't understand
the petunia allusion by the way, which probably confirms that I'm stupid
as well as ill-informed).
But as a not-particularly-off-roader I've rather let the whole issue
whizz over my head I'm afraid.
CB
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The gentlemen were being economic with the truth.
You lose all RUPPs + any claimed as Byways since 19th May
You lose all dual status UCR
National Parks get power to TRO (close) - what do you think they will do
over the next couple of years?
Existing Byways will become overused and guess what will happen when the
Councils get demands for maintenance from the other users?
Ian.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher Bell" <[Email address removed]>
To: <[Email address removed]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 5:44 PM
Subject: RE: [ELCO] Loss of RUPPs and National Parks
As I read it (in last Saturday's Torygraph) the proposed changes don't
affect existing RUPPs and BOATs, but rather remove the right to assert
rights of way for vehicles on potential future ones.
Or did I not read it carefully enough?
Christopher Bell
ps: Translation for those not in the UK:
"RUPP" = "Road Used as a Public Path",
"BOAT" = "Byway Open to All Traffic"
Both qualify as places where you have the right to take a 4x4 legally
off road, on the basis that these are historical "roads" that simply
haven't acquired tarmac. There is pressure to bring in legislation to
stop this.
Oh, and "Torygraph" = The Daily Telegraph newspaper = very right wing
(Tory) biased national newspaper, supposedly read by the wives of those
who used to run the country...
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| Sent: 16 November 2005 14:24
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| Subject: [ELCO] Loss of RUPPs and National Parks
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| So how is the proposed loss of RUPPs and National Park Byways
| going to impact folk?
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| Ian.
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Hi Guys
Just wondering where that leaves you lot to have fun other than pay as you
play parks and a nice land owner. Also what will kept these byways open to
all if not the use of vehicles keeping the veg under control.
Im not surprised at this because why would the gov or any other state body
care about a few 4x4 people when they banned fox hunting after all the
protests and a lot of what I would think influencial people involved in
that. Will this affect Salisbury Plain in the future I wonder.
John C
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Unless something remarkable happens there will be no green laning within a
couple of years.
The antis will not stop there though.
It is already increasingly hard to get playgrounds anywhere as they seem to
want to turn the countryside into some sort of museum. Earlier this year
someone at defra tried to stop 99% of off road motorsport by illegal
application of the SPS subsidies. They are threatening to try again -
clearly they are looking for ways to do it that aren't illegal. The NERC
bill is a response to the failure of earlier legislation which was found in
contravention of human rights and latterly CRoW which had a get out clause
for vehicle users which was overlooked.
The Landowners will just side with whoever can reduce public rights. The
Rambler mob are the biggest so slowly everyone will get eased out until you
can only walk. The cyclists and horsey mob don't believe that yet so by the
time they wake up - too late. Tragically many Ramblers aren't that fanatical
but their leaders are.
You aren't meant to have fun!
Hey don't knock the Tories they are looking left of Labour these days.
Ian.
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We are however trying to do something about it, even at this late stage!
Pete
CRAG Membership Officer
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Ian Packer wrote:
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Me too!
Ian.
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From: Peter Browning
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Subject: Re: [ELCO] Loss of RUPPs and National Parks
We are however trying to do something about it, even at this late stage!
Pete
CRAG Membership Officer
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Ian Packer wrote:
Unless something remarkable happens there will be no green laning within a
couple of years.
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and CROW will have on our hobby, or if you would simply like some more
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> Ian.
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> We are however trying to do something about it, even at this late
> stage!
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> Pete
> CRAG Membership Officer
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>>couple of years.
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Pete,
I am in the TRF and working about 5 hours a day outside of the paid job on NERC at the moment. But I encourage everyone to get involved.
If you do nothing else I urge everyone to write to your MP and Baroness Byford - usual Westminster addresses for Commons and Lords available on the web. This bill is in the Lords.
Do it NOW literally - there is little time.
Be polite and reasoned.
Ian.
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Browning
To: [Email address removed]
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 7:24 AM
Subject: Re: [ELCO] Loss of RUPPs and National Parks
If anyone is interested in learning more about the negative effects NERC and CROW will have on our hobby, or if you would simply like some more details of what CRAG is doing then please send an email to [Email address removed]. It's automated and you'll get back some bedtime reading ;-)
Pete
CRAG Membership Officer
[Email address removed]
Ian Packer wrote:
Me too!
Ian.
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Browning
To: [Email address removed]
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: [ELCO] Loss of RUPPs and National Parks
We are however trying to do something about it, even at this late stage!
Pete
CRAG Membership Officer
[Email address removed]
Ian Packer wrote:
Unless something remarkable happens there will be no green laning within a
couple of years.
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Pete,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am in the TRF and working about 5 hours a day
outside of the paid job on NERC at the moment. But I encourage everyone to get
involved.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If you do nothing else I urge everyone
to write to your MP and Baroness Byford - usual Westminster addresses for
Commons and Lords available on the web. This bill is in the Lords.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Do it NOW literally - there is little
time.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Be polite and reasoned.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ian.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Subject: Re: [ELCO] Loss of RUPPs and
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effects NERC and CROW will have on our hobby, or if you would simply like some
more details of what CRAG is doing then please send an email to <A
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Sorry Pete this message was aimed at everyone who doesn't know not you!
Just noticed it can be read wrong.
Ian.
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From: Ian Packer
To: [Email address removed]
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: [ELCO] Loss of RUPPs and National Parks
Pete,
I am in the TRF and working about 5 hours a day outside of the paid job on NERC at the moment. But I encourage everyone to get involved.
If you do nothing else I urge everyone to write to your MP and Baroness Byford - usual Westminster addresses for Commons and Lords available on the web. This bill is in the Lords.
Do it NOW literally - there is little time.
Be polite and reasoned.
Ian.
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Browning
To: [Email address removed]
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 7:24 AM
Subject: Re: [ELCO] Loss of RUPPs and National Parks
If anyone is interested in learning more about the negative effects NERC and CROW will have on our hobby, or if you would simply like some more details of what CRAG is doing then please send an email to [Email address removed]. It's automated and you'll get back some bedtime reading ;-)
Pete
CRAG Membership Officer
[Email address removed]
Ian Packer wrote:
Me too!
Ian.
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Browning
To: [Email address removed]
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: [ELCO] Loss of RUPPs and National Parks
We are however trying to do something about it, even at this late stage!
Pete
CRAG Membership Officer
[Email address removed]
Ian Packer wrote:
Unless something remarkable happens there will be no green laning within a
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Pete,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am in the TRF and working about 5 hours a day
outside of the paid job on NERC at the moment. But I encourage everyone to get
involved.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If you do nothing else I urge everyone
to write to your MP and Baroness Byford - usual Westminster addresses for
Commons and Lords available on the web. This bill is in the
Lords.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Do it NOW literally - there is little
time.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Be polite and reasoned.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ian.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Subject: Re: [ELCO] Loss of RUPPs and
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effects NERC and CROW will have on our hobby, or if you would simply like
some more details of what CRAG is doing then please send an email to <A
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</DIV>We are however trying to do something about it, even at
this late stage!

Pete
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Ian,
Apart from a letter writing campaign, is anything else being done?
Is there a central body fighting this?
Do you have anybody in the Lords fighting your corner?
I missed your piece in the Telegraph the other day, but saw the follow
up - to be honest without knowing enough about it the response was
mainly double dutch
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Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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Ian,
Apart from a letter writing campaign, is anything else being done?
Is there a central body fighting this?
Do you have anybody in the Lords fighting your corner?
I missed your piece in the Telegraph the other day, but saw the follow
up - to be honest without knowing enough about it the response was
mainly double dutch
--
Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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Letter writing is important because all our respresentatives think we don't
care because the Ramblers are vocal and we are not. LARA
(http://www.laragb.org) is most central but we have been very lax on this
thinking we had reached agreement with defra and the Secretary of State, Jim
Knight. Then under political pressure he stabbed us in the back and stopped
being the voice of reason he initially was. He knows we are being stiffed
but as long as the MPs think there are more votes on the Rambler side he'll
not stick his neck out.
We don't seem to have any strong support in either house. That I suspect is
because they think they would be going against popular opinion and it isn't
a big enough issue to stand on principle for. The more they hear from us the
more they will realise there is not just the Ramblers out there.
The Telegraph response was interesting to say the least.
A chap from GLPG, a group created from others; GLEAM, RA, FoR and
Landowners, precisely to remove vehicular rights, suggesting the
government's independent research be dismissed and theirs taken as gospel.
Followed by a lawyer telling us that we should ignore vehicular rights
because they are claimed using the under pinning principal of all British
civil law!!
Ian.
http://www.trf.org.uk
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Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: [ELCO] Loss of RUPPs and National Parks
 
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