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Clive Marks said:
Interesting - I filled the form on the ARB site as well, but have never
heard anything back from anyone.
I might give them a call.
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
[Email address removed]
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
80less at the moment - Roll on June!
 
Jon Wildsmith said:
I wonder who is to blame - I suspect Froggs Island, I am yet to get a
response from various telephone messages and emails over the last
couple of months.
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Julian Voelcker
[Email address removed]
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
80less at the moment - Roll on June!
 
Hi Jon
Thanks for the info again but I will have to think hard about our wolves situation here in Ireland. Are the Wolves not a protected species there. They are beautiful animals and vertually gone from all of Europe I think. Now back to Cruiser talk. Maybe I meant to say that there was moss in certain places like the rubbers on the windows, in the groves and cracks but the paint work was good. I know it had been lying up for a while but thought this was good, stupit me. The guy I bought the Cruiser off was an Irish guy who worked in the UK for years and then returned to Ireland. He brought back the Cruiser with him but found instead of paying the =A3165 road tax like in the UK he was no going to have to pay ?1200 per year. I do dont think he was a Cruiser man or he would have kept it. Instead he left it for over a year and then he sold it on some thing to do with if you bring a vehicle into Ireland you have to keep it for a year before you can sell it. He bought himself a big Merc with my Cruiser money. Did you catch the post from Roman about the CV joints for the Cruiser, very good. Do you remember that I told you it cost me ? 600 odd to buy just the part for mine well Toyota call this CV joint a shaft sub assey unit. No wonder when I talked about it to any one they just looked at me as if I had ten heads. I will buy this same joint for my Cruiser from MIlner in the UK because it is so much cheaper than here. I am still learning loads just cant stop.The heater in the cruiser had been giving out cool air even when the heater is on for hot air and the Cruiser is running at normal operating temp, the bottom hose is cold and the top hose is hot coming from the rad so I bought a new thermostat for her.
I have a question for you if the water is as I explained hot hose on the top and a cold hose on the bottom does it mean thet the water is not circulating properly and so the heat will built up in the engine and damage it. Yes you are right I am paranod about every thing to do with this cruiser but with good reason. Do you think that I shoul buy a few of the CV joints while I am at it because I know the right one has nor been replaced yet and if the left one only lasts about five years I am already passed year one.
John c
 
Hi Dermot,
Very interesting that you used a Kenlowe I had completely forgot about those
has it made much difference to economy and is it very much quieter.
Anthony Graham
1994 HDJ80 1HD - T
West Wales
UK
 
>Very interesting that you used a Kenlowe I had completely forgot about those has it made much difference to economy and is it very much quieter.
>Anthony Graham
Hi Graham,
I have done about 30,000 miles with the dual Kenlowe setup and in that time the fans have cut in a hand full of times. No doubt someone could workout how much power and fuel a viscous-coupling fan would have used in that time.
The engine is much quieter-you just hear the nice bits, like my stainless bigbore exhaust.
Economy wise; to is difficult for me to be accurate as I fitted an intercooler at the same time. The old girl averages 35mpg minimum under normal conditions (inc towing) the worst I have seen (the fuel pump needs an overhaul as well) is 30mpg. That's hammering it with 3 tonnes on the hook.
As with many of our mods:; if you look at pure economics then the Kenlowe dual-fan conversion depends on how long you intend to keep your Cruiser. For me, the best mods have been the Intercooler fairly closely followed by the cooling fans and of course the preheater system in the winter!
Regards
Dermot Allen
'97 1HD-FT
Norfolk
 
dermot.allen wrote:
I'd be surprised if it made a consumption difference you'd notice unless
your climate is such that your engine is running cold for a long time,
even then the thermostat should be dealing with that issue. I'd think
the biggest advantage would be noise. The drag factor of a fan is
probably minute compared to pulling the vehicle along so whilst it'll
help - not significantly.
Ian.
 
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Do you have a part/model number for the fans you fitted? I assume they
are engine bay side of the radiator?
I'm asking because I'm considering removing the mechanical fan so that I
won't need an idler pulley on my Type-R winch setup.
Anyone on the list got opinions on the reliability of electric fans?
Jon.
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From: [Email address removed] [mailto:[Email address removed]]
On Behalf Of dermot.allen
Sent: 24 January 2005 00:19
To: [Email address removed]
Subject: Re: [ELCO]
>Very interesting that you used a Kenlowe I had completely forgot about
those has it made much difference to economy and is it very much
quieter.
>Anthony Graham
Hi Graham,
I have done about 30,000 miles with the dual Kenlowe
setup and in that time the fans have cut in a hand full of times. No
doubt someone could workout how much power and fuel a viscous-coupling
fan would have used in that time.
The engine is much quieter-you just hear the nice bits, like my
stainless bigbore exhaust.
Economy wise; to is difficult for me to be accurate as I fitted an
intercooler at the same time. The old girl averages 35mpg minimum under
normal conditions (inc towing) the worst I have seen (the fuel pump
needs an overhaul as well) is 30mpg. That's hammering it with 3 tonnes
on the hook.
As with many of our mods:; if you look at pure economics then the
Kenlowe dual-fan conversion depends on how long you intend to keep your
Cruiser. For me, the best mods have been the Intercooler fairly closely
followed by the cooling fans and of course the preheater system in
the winter!
Regards
Dermot Allen
'97 1HD-FT
Norfolk
 
Hi Jon,
I have always had a pretty high opinion of Kenlowe fans and have used
them extensively in the past on race and rally cars without any
problems.
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift, ARB
 
Julian,
Do Kenlowe still use zip ties to hold the fan to the radiator?
IMHO., in comparison with an engine driven fan, an electric fan is
nowhere near as efficient to keep the temperature down.
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Rgds,
Roman (London, UK)
'92 HDJ80
 
Hi Roman,
I have no idea. As far as I can remember from conversations a couple
of years back they also provided a shroud for mounting the fans on an
LC.
Perhaps Dermot could chip in here.
It is a tricky argument. A fixed fan is good at keeping the whole
engine bay cool as opposed to just the engine, however it is
inefficient since it is running all the time.
At the end of the day I suspect that with some of the new fan designs,
two electric kenlowes will shift more air than a single standard fixed
fan.
It was interesting to hear from Dermot that in 30,000 miles the fans
have only cut in a handful of times and that is with towing.
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift, ARB
 
yeah, the zip tie things are rubbish, and they'll slowly wear out the rad where they go through. bin 'em!
but I do think a Kenlowe is better than the engine fan. when the fan is not needed you save a few bhp. You try getting a few more bhp from your engine, it is VERY difficult.
I have a kenlowe on my V8 Trialer and it's fine.
They are expensive though. I can't find my list but I am sure a double kit is about =A3260 maybe more, where as to replace your knackered viscous unit may only be about =A360.
Cheers,
Matt
----- Original Message -----
From: Roman
To: [Email address removed]
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: [ELCO]
Julian,
Do Kenlowe still use zip ties to hold the fan to the radiator?
IMHO., in comparison with an engine driven fan, an electric fan is
nowhere near as efficient to keep the temperature down.
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Rgds,
Roman (London, UK)
'92 HDJ80
> > Anyone on the list got opinions on the reliability of electric fans?
>
> I have always had a pretty high opinion of Kenlowe fans and have used
> them extensively in the past on race and rally cars without any
> problems.
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Hello guys,
I have no problem with your arguments. But at the end of the day the
fan is there to COOL the engine. If Dermot is correct in his
calculations, any fan is redundant in 98% of cases. But when it's
needed, will a little fan driven by a small electric motor be up to
the job?
Also, for those more adventureous of us, a fan fitted in front of the
radiator (rather than behid it) is always a bit of extra risk.
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Rgds,
Roman (London, UK)
'92 HDJ80
 
Hi,
I'm not too worried about efficiency, it's reliability that concerns me,
as long as the fans are capable of keeping the temperature under
control.
I have to trade one potential reliability problem for another - either
an idler pulley with a bearing that may be problematic, or electric
fans.
So far I'm hearing that electric fans are reliable. I can always keep
the mechanical one in the back for emergencies.
Best Regards,
Jon.
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From: [Email address removed] [mailto:[Email address removed]]
On Behalf Of Roman
Sent: 28 January 2005 10:55
To: [Email address removed]
Subject: Re: [ELCO]
Julian,
Do Kenlowe still use zip ties to hold the fan to the radiator?
IMHO., in comparison with an engine driven fan, an electric fan is
nowhere near as efficient to keep the temperature down.
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Rgds,
Roman (London, UK)
'92 HDJ80
 
The kenlowe can go in front or behind the rad (suck or blow). And a big one is powerful enough to suck your vehicle along all by its self!!
Don't stand near your grill when they come on! They'll suck your cloths clean off!
Only joking, but they are powerful
cheers,
Matt
----- Original Message -----
From: Roman
To: [Email address removed]
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: [ELCO]
Hello guys,
I have no problem with your arguments. But at the end of the day the
fan is there to COOL the engine. If Dermot is correct in his
calculations, any fan is redundant in 98% of cases. But when it's
needed, will a little fan driven by a small electric motor be up to
the job?
Also, for those more adventureous of us, a fan fitted in front of the
radiator (rather than behid it) is always a bit of extra risk.
--
Rgds,
Roman (London, UK)
'92 HDJ80
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Julian Voelcker wrote:
Engines have an optimal operating temperature. Too cold is as bad as too
hot. Both selective and constant fans should work ok as there is a
thermostat on the water but which is best would be impossible to tell
without extensive testing surely? But electric might be quieter!
Ian.
 
Roman wrote:
From experience having the fan tightly attached to the engine can also
be a problem when you stop with a jolt - like a tree or wall. The engine
can shift forward as everything gives and shove the fan into the rad. So
I guess safest would be electric behind.
Ian.
 
Hi Roman,
As I said, with the modern designs of the fans two kenlowes behind the
rad will easily shift more air than the factory fan.
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift, ARB
 
I have a single 16" Pacet fan fitted, it was one of the first things I
did to the car, it only comes on very rarely, only in summer never in
winter, and only when I've been ragging it off road. My temperature
gauge never moves from the normal position. It's mounted as a puller
inside the stock shroud and when it comes on you can feel the hot air
blowing under the vehicle even if you're standing a good few feet away
from it!
Matt Savage Land Rover wrote:
Dermot is correct, that's the whole point of electric vs stock fans,
they *are* redundant 98% of the time, but the stock fans are driven 100%
of the time, electric ones only 2%
I wouldn't describe mine as a little fan driven by a small electric
motor, when it comes on - you know about it!
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Alan Thomson
Dunfermline, Scotland
1994 KZJ70, 2" OME lift, Warn HS9500, Custom exhaust,
33" Simex Jungle Trekkers
http://www.mudcruzr.com
 
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Hi Jon,
Do you have a part/model number for the fans you fitted? I assume they are engine bay side of the radiator?
I'm asking because I'm considering removing the mechanical fan so that I won't need an idler pulley on my Type-R winch setup.
Anyone on the list got opinions on the reliability of electric fans?
Kenlowe Dual 13" fans fitted engine side, with a manual overide in the cab.
Never had a problem so far and they can be checked easily using the manual overide switch.
Regards
Dermot Allen
'97 1HD-FT
 
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