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OK you macho men in 5cm of treacherous snow. Now that you have bought some
superior chains from Matt remember that as soon as you remove them they
must be washed in warm water and hung in a warm place to dry. Then they
will be flexible next time you want to use them !
Matt, I now have seen mine elsewhere and they are branded 'OUP' whatever
that may mean.
I had to put mine on again this morning to get to work - a tad more than
5cms though !
Cheers
Jon
'92 HZJ80 ex UN surplus in Bosnia - not got the lamp protectors dirty
inside yet Julian. Will let you know of progress.
 
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Yes, we have it in Derbyshire. We (wife, and our 2 boys) built a nice snow man last night! And it's still snowing this morning. But the roads look ok :-(
Cheers,
Matt
Derbyshire , UK
1991 HDJ80
1950 Landy V8 80"
Good pair of Thinsulate gloves and hat with ears!
----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis Lamminga
To: [Email address removed]
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 10:43 PM
Subject: Re: [ELCO] Snow etc
Ladies and Gentlemen,
The snow has arrived!, even in London.
For South Africans, it's a joy!
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Hi Matt
You seem to love the snow, I think that its the child in us all that we never really want to grow up . Our snow is about a staggering 1 cm deep so we had to get out our snow ploughs and the country will nearly come to a stand still. But it is melting much to the disapointment of the kids who thought that they may have a day off. While bringing the kids to that horrible place called school on a snowy day I was amazed at how easy it is to slide not on foot but with the cruiser. The weight seems to push it forward and thats only lightly tipping the brake. I would say it would be quite easy to lose it altogether if you had to try and stop at any speed. What year did the cruiser come with ABS.
John C
92HDJ 80 1HD-T Ireland
----- Original Message -----
From: Matt Savage Land Rover
To: [Email address removed]
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 7:07 AM
Subject: Re: [ELCO] Snow etc
Yes, we have it in Derbyshire. We (wife, and our 2 boys) built a nice snow man last night! And it's still snowing this morning. But the roads look ok :-(
Cheers,
Matt
Derbyshire , UK
1991 HDJ80
1950 Landy V8 80"
Good pair of Thinsulate gloves and hat with ears!

----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis Lamminga
To: [Email address removed]
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 10:43 PM
Subject: Re: [ELCO] Snow etc
Ladies and Gentlemen,
The snow has arrived!, even in London.
For South Africans, it's a joy!
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'96 1HD-FT
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Hi John,
YES! I love the snow. I was pretty good at skiing in my teens, but I've not been for years and I really miss it.
Oh, and driving in the snow is great fun. And pulling stuck cars out of big drifts etc.
As for braking, yes, I find my Land Cruiser brakes way too much on the front and the wheel effortlessly lock up (I think this was a subject a short while ago). I guess with a load of weight in the back it'd be better.
If you're in very deep snow you should really deflate your tyres. If the snow was really deep I'd go down to about 12psi, but you can then only drive at about 20 mph. Also, in deep snow it is well worth cleaning the tyres with brake cleaner or some other liquid that gets rid of oil. As the tar in the black top (road) sticks a little to the tyres and makes the tyres slip on the snow. If you clean this off the grip is much improved. Or just fit chains!
Cheers,
Matt
Derbyshire, UK
1991 HDJ80
----- Original Message -----
From: john byrne
To: [Email address removed]
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: [ELCO] Snow etc
Hi Matt
You seem to love the snow, I think that its the child in us all that we never really want to grow up . Our snow is about a staggering 1 cm deep so we had to get out our snow ploughs and the country will nearly come to a stand still. But it is melting much to the disapointment of the kids who thought that they may have a day off. While bringing the kids to that horrible place called school on a snowy day I was amazed at how easy it is to slide not on foot but with the cruiser. The weight seems to push it forward and thats only lightly tipping the brake. I would say it would be quite easy to lose it altogether if you had to try and stop at any speed. What year did the cruiser come with ABS.
John C
92HDJ 80 1HD-T Ireland
----- Original Message -----
From: Matt Savage Land Rover
To: [Email address removed]
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 7:07 AM
Subject: Re: [ELCO] Snow etc
Yes, we have it in Derbyshire. We (wife, and our 2 boys) built a nice snow man last night! And it's still snowing this morning. But the roads look ok :-(
Cheers,
Matt
Derbyshire , UK
1991 HDJ80
1950 Landy V8 80"
Good pair of Thinsulate gloves and hat with ears!

----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis Lamminga
To: [Email address removed]
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 10:43 PM
Subject: Re: [ELCO] Snow etc
Ladies and Gentlemen,
The snow has arrived!, even in London.
For South Africans, it's a joy!
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'96 1HD-FT
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Hi John,
It is a tricky one, you have the 4wd but once you start skidding it is a lot
of weight to slide around in.
This is when you want to drive in 1 or 2 to get the engine breaking - ABS
doesn't work too well when you have no grip on any of the wheels.
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Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
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Hi John,
It is a tricky one, you have the 4wd but once you start skidding it is a lot
of weight to slide around in.
This is when you want to drive in 1 or 2 to get the engine breaking - ABS
doesn't work too well when you have no grip on any of the wheels.
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Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift, ARB
 
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Matt Savage Land Rover wrote:
Isn't that to do with bias not weight? If you have more weight in the
back and the bias is too much to the front it'll be worse surely because
you're not taking advantage of the possible additional grip on the back?
 
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yeah, you're right. But the more weight you put in the back the lower the back gets, the lower it gets the more it opens up the brake valve and the more bias it lets through to the back brakes.
In fact I bet this can be adjusted. And as my LC does not have a lot of weight in 90% of the time I might (when/if I ever get the time) adjust it to give more bias to the rear under normal laden conditions.
all the best,
Matt
Derbyshire UK.
1991 HDJ80
----- Original Message -----
From: Ian Packer
To: [Email address removed]
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [ELCO] Snow etc
Matt Savage Land Rover wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> As for braking, yes, I find my Land Cruiser brakes way too much on the
> front and the wheel effortlessly lock up (I think this was a subject a
> short while ago). I guess with a load of weight in the back it'd be better.
Isn't that to do with bias not weight? If you have more weight in the
back and the bias is too much to the front it'll be worse surely because
you're not taking advantage of the possible additional grip on the back?
>
> Cheers,
> Matt
>
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Mat
The break bias can be adjusted and maybe some by the sounds of it are
incorrectly set especially if taller springs have been added.
Anthony graham
1994HDJ801HD-T
West Wales
UK
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Sent: 22 February 2005 11:10
To: [Email address removed]
Subject: Re: [ELCO] Snow etc
yeah, you're right. But the more weight you put in the back the lower the
back gets, the lower it gets the more it opens up the brake valve and the
more bias it lets through to the back brakes.
In fact I bet this can be adjusted. And as my LC does not have a lot of
weight in 90% of the time I might (when/if I ever get the time) adjust it to
give more bias to the rear under normal laden conditions.
all the best,
Matt
Derbyshire UK.
1991 HDJ80
<http://www.mattsavage.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: Ian Packer <mailto:[Email address removed]>
To: [Email address removed]
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [ELCO] Snow etc
Matt Savage Land Rover wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> As for braking, yes, I find my Land Cruiser brakes way too much on the
> front and the wheel effortlessly lock up (I think this was a subject a
> short while ago). I guess with a load of weight in the back it'd be
better.
Isn't that to do with bias not weight? If you have more weight in the
back and the bias is too much to the front it'll be worse surely because
you're not taking advantage of the possible additional grip on the back?
>
> Cheers,
> Matt
>
 
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Hi matt
Is this opening of the brake valve when weight is carried a safety thing that is built in to the cruisers and if you did adjust it would you get more stopping power all the time , whats the draw back , there has to be one.
John C
92HDJ 80 1HD-T Ireland
----- Original Message -----
From: Matt Savage Land Rover
To: [Email address removed]
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: [ELCO] Snow etc
yeah, you're right. But the more weight you put in the back the lower the back gets, the lower it gets the more it opens up the brake valve and the more bias it lets through to the back brakes.
In fact I bet this can be adjusted. And as my LC does not have a lot of weight in 90% of the time I might (when/if I ever get the time) adjust it to give more bias to the rear under normal laden conditions.
all the best,
Matt
Derbyshire UK.
1991 HDJ80

----- Original Message -----
From: Ian Packer
To: [Email address removed]
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [ELCO] Snow etc
Matt Savage Land Rover wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> As for braking, yes, I find my Land Cruiser brakes way too much on the
> front and the wheel effortlessly lock up (I think this was a subject a
> short while ago). I guess with a load of weight in the back it'd be better.
Isn't that to do with bias not weight? If you have more weight in the
back and the bias is too much to the front it'll be worse surely because
you're not taking advantage of the possible additional grip on the back?
>
> Cheers,
> Matt
>
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if it is adjusted too far then there will be too much braking on the rear which is very dangerous when you're cornering, or any time for that matter. It has to be right, but more bias on the front is better than the wrong (ie more) to the rear.
and yes, if you have taller springs than you'll need to fiddle with this anyway, as the valve will be on it's lowest (ie the valve will think there is helium blooms in the back!!)
See ya,
Matt. Derbyshire UK. HDJ80
----- Original Message -----
From: john byrne
To: [Email address removed]
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [ELCO] Snow etc
Hi matt
Is this opening of the brake valve when weight is carried a safety thing that is built in to the cruisers and if you did adjust it would you get more stopping power all the time , whats the draw back , there has to be one.
John C
92HDJ 80 1HD-T Ireland
----- Original Message -----
From: Matt Savage Land Rover
To: [Email address removed]
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: [ELCO] Snow etc
yeah, you're right. But the more weight you put in the back the lower the back gets, the lower it gets the more it opens up the brake valve and the more bias it lets through to the back brakes.
In fact I bet this can be adjusted. And as my LC does not have a lot of weight in 90% of the time I might (when/if I ever get the time) adjust it to give more bias to the rear under normal laden conditions.
all the best,
Matt
Derbyshire UK.
1991 HDJ80

----- Original Message -----
From: Ian Packer
To: [Email address removed]
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [ELCO] Snow etc
Matt Savage Land Rover wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> As for braking, yes, I find my Land Cruiser brakes way too much on the
> front and the wheel effortlessly lock up (I think this was a subject a
> short while ago). I guess with a load of weight in the back it'd be better.
Isn't that to do with bias not weight? If you have more weight in the
back and the bias is too much to the front it'll be worse surely because
you're not taking advantage of the possible additional grip on the back?
>
> Cheers,
> Matt
>
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Hi matt
I was looking at the air bags for the back to fit in the springsdoes this mean that I would have to get the brake valve adjusted or is it only if you incrase the height of the springs.
Thanks Matt sorry about all the question but as they say ask a question get an answer.
John C
92 HDJ 80 1HD-T Ireland
----- Original Message -----
From: Matt Savage Land Rover
To: [Email address removed]
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: [ELCO] Snow etc
if it is adjusted too far then there will be too much braking on the rear which is very dangerous when you're cornering, or any time for that matter. It has to be right, but more bias on the front is better than the wrong (ie more) to the rear.
and yes, if you have taller springs than you'll need to fiddle with this anyway, as the valve will be on it's lowest (ie the valve will think there is helium blooms in the back!!)
See ya,
Matt. Derbyshire UK. HDJ80

----- Original Message -----
From: john byrne
To: [Email address removed]
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [ELCO] Snow etc
Hi matt
Is this opening of the brake valve when weight is carried a safety thing that is built in to the cruisers and if you did adjust it would you get more stopping power all the time , whats the draw back , there has to be one.
John C
92HDJ 80 1HD-T Ireland
----- Original Message -----
From: Matt Savage Land Rover
To: [Email address removed]
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: [ELCO] Snow etc
yeah, you're right. But the more weight you put in the back the lower the back gets, the lower it gets the more it opens up the brake valve and the more bias it lets through to the back brakes.
In fact I bet this can be adjusted. And as my LC does not have a lot of weight in 90% of the time I might (when/if I ever get the time) adjust it to give more bias to the rear under normal laden conditions.
all the best,
Matt
Derbyshire UK.
1991 HDJ80

----- Original Message -----
From: Ian Packer
To: [Email address removed]
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [ELCO] Snow etc
Matt Savage Land Rover wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> As for braking, yes, I find my Land Cruiser brakes way too much on the
> front and the wheel effortlessly lock up (I think this was a subject a
> short while ago). I guess with a load of weight in the back it'd be better.
Isn't that to do with bias not weight? If you have more weight in the
back and the bias is too much to the front it'll be worse surely because
you're not taking advantage of the possible additional grip on the back?
>
> Cheers,
> Matt
>
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John,
Be very careful with brake bias - manufacturers will err on the side of
caution. Get it wrong and when you really need to stop quick you might
find yourself spinning off or into whatever the obstruction is.
Probably worth leaving well alone on the road unless you are convinced
it's wrong. Imagine locking the rear wheels on an icey road with a load
in the back - spinning top time!
I had an old Porsche 911 pre electronics; I know what it's like to have
a heavy rear end break loose - ooh er missus.
;-)
Ian.
john byrne wrote:
 
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Hi John,
As Gareth was just saying it may be that mine is just seized up a bit.
Should yours be adjusted with the air helpers? I don't know, I would have thought so though.
cheers,
Matt
----- Original Message -----
From: john byrne
To: [Email address removed]
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: [ELCO] Snow etc
Hi matt
I was looking at the air bags for the back to fit in the springsdoes this mean that I would have to get the brake valve adjusted or is it only if you incrase the height of the springs.
Thanks Matt sorry about all the question but as they say ask a question get an answer.
John C
92 HDJ 80 1HD-T Ireland
----- Original Message -----
From: Matt Savage Land Rover
To: [Email address removed]
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: [ELCO] Snow etc
if it is adjusted too far then there will be too much braking on the rear which is very dangerous when you're cornering, or any time for that matter. It has to be right, but more bias on the front is better than the wrong (ie more) to the rear.
and yes, if you have taller springs than you'll need to fiddle with this anyway, as the valve will be on it's lowest (ie the valve will think there is helium blooms in the back!!)
See ya,
Matt. Derbyshire UK. HDJ80

----- Original Message -----
From: john byrne
To: [Email address removed]
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [ELCO] Snow etc
Hi matt
Is this opening of the brake valve when weight is carried a safety thing that is built in to the cruisers and if you did adjust it would you get more stopping power all the time , whats the draw back , there has to be one.
John C
92HDJ 80 1HD-T Ireland
----- Original Message -----
From: Matt Savage Land Rover
To: [Email address removed]
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: [ELCO] Snow etc
yeah, you're right. But the more weight you put in the back the lower the back gets, the lower it gets the more it opens up the brake valve and the more bias it lets through to the back brakes.
In fact I bet this can be adjusted. And as my LC does not have a lot of weight in 90% of the time I might (when/if I ever get the time) adjust it to give more bias to the rear under normal laden conditions.
all the best,
Matt
Derbyshire UK.
1991 HDJ80

----- Original Message -----
From: Ian Packer
To: [Email address removed]
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [ELCO] Snow etc
Matt Savage Land Rover wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> As for braking, yes, I find my Land Cruiser brakes way too much on the
> front and the wheel effortlessly lock up (I think this was a subject a
> short while ago). I guess with a load of weight in the back it'd be better.
Isn't that to do with bias not weight? If you have more weight in the
back and the bias is too much to the front it'll be worse surely because
you're not taking advantage of the possible additional grip on the back?
>
> Cheers,
> Matt
>
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Hi There Ian
I was just hungry for info as usual, once I hear or in this case read
something my head fills with questions so I only ask a few every now and
again so as not to piss people off too much I HOPE.
Thanks Ian for the interest
John C 92HDJ 80 1HD-T Ireland
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ian Packer" <[Email address removed]>
To: <[Email address removed]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: [ELCO] Snow etc
 
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John,
Let's hope you will never reach the point where there are no more
questions to be asked, only answers to be given ...
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Rgds,
Roman (London, UK)
'92 HDJ80
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:19:33 -0000, john byrne <[Email address removed]> wrote:
 
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