Bull Bars & Winch Bumpers Illegal

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Did you know that as from today (25/5/07) it=92s illegal EU wide to
manufacture, market, sell or fit any form of aftermarket frontal protection
device (bull bars and winch bumpers to you and me) that hasn=92t been type
approved??

It doesn=92t apply (yet?) to already fitted bars but you can no longer fit one
to your vehicle. That includes replacing one that already is fitted.

Here=92s the full text if you want to wade through it.

HYPERLINK "http://tinyurl.com/2kfmcr"http://tinyurl.com/2kfmcr

Pete
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You are correct!
And I've managed to find one in stock :) :) :)
Pete
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Sent: 25 May 2007 15:39
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Subject: Re: [ELCO] Bull Bars & Winch Bumpers Illegal
I had a quick read and couldn't spot where it said illegal to fit.
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Better late than never. I've ordered one from Devon 4x4 and it'll be with me
Wednesday. Phew!!!
If anyone else needs one then according to every supplier I've spoken to ARB
are no longer importing them. Devon 4x4 has one more left in stock
apparently.
No-one else that I spoke to have any left in stock.
Pete
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Sent: 25 May 2007 15:52
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You are correct!
And I've managed to find one in stock :) :) :)
Pete
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Oh??
How much?
Pete
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 25 May 2007 16:13
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Subject: RE: [ELCO] Bull Bars & Winch Bumpers Illegal
Ray & I should have a few home grown ones (for off road use only of
course) available in the near future now the sliders are done.
Regards,
Jon.
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Put me down for a pair please Jon.
Chas
London UK 1HDT 80 Safari snorkel, Custom Winch bumper and Rear bumper with
spare wheel carrier, home made drawer unit with built-in water tank
(well it will be there when I get it finished)
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Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 7:41 PM
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Interesting - I know that TBR and Frogs Island are both looking to
bring out there own bumpers, sliders, etc for LCs.
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Julian Voelcker
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Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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Also I thought that the ARB/TJM bumpers were type approved, if not I
wouldn't be surprised if they don't pull their fingers out to make sure
that they are. ISTR similar legislation is coming out in Aus.
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Julian Voelcker
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Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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I think the problem is (without having studied the legislation at this
stage) that to get type approval a bull bar has to be "deformable" and meet
the Encap or whatever crash test requirements although I'm not sure what
that means in reality.
AFAIK it's now illegal to manufacture market or sell any non-type approved
bull bar; there's no "cop-out" by stating it's for offroad use only, it's a
blanket ban although how workable this will be in reality I don't know. TBR
and Frogs Island both told me yesterday that they were totally unable to
sell them, even if marked purely for offroad use and that ARB are not
importing any more.
However, Eddie at Frogs did ask me to ring back next week as there may be
something in the pipeline.
Anyway, Devon 4x4 were happy to sell me one from stock yesterday so I have
mine.
Pete
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Also I thought that the ARB/TJM bumpers were type approved, if not I
wouldn't be surprised if they don't pull their fingers out to make sure
that they are. ISTR similar legislation is coming out in Aus.
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A do recall a couple of years back an Aussie firm selling deformable
winch bumpers for LCs - it would be interesting to know if theirs meet
the criteria.
See: http://www.teampoly.com.au/Pages/main_products_smart.html
and
http://www.teampoly.com.au/Images/Products/smartbar/landcruiser_80.jpg
Also I wonder how the regs apply to the factory winch option with a
winch plate beind the bumper and just the fairlead sticking out, which
has it's own cover.
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Julian Voelcker
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Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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Alright lads (and lassies)

Re these sliders that westmidlands have for sale

They don't seem to have the wing protector attachment that connects to the front bumber - its a nice feature thjat the ARB ones have.....

In my opinion you need them as well

Niall

HDJ80 95
 
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Hi Niall,
I haven=92t seen any ARB setups like that, sort of like the external frame the
custom 4x4=92s often have. Was going to ask if you had any links to photos
but I found one on the ARB site.
Doesn=92t look hard to add, although the ARB one doesn=92t look very heavy duty.
http://arb.com.au/toyota/landcruiser_100_commercial_bull_bar.jpg
Malcolm Bagley
Stafford UK
FJ45 '75 & FJ45 '76

From: [Email address removed] [mailto:[Email address removed]] On
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Sent: 28 May 2007 12:30
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Subject: Re: [ELCO] Bull Bars & Winch Bumpers Illegal

Alright lads (and lassies)

Re these sliders that westmidlands have for sale

They don't seem to have the wing protector attachment that connects to the
front bumber - its a nice feature thjat the ARB ones have.....

In my opinion you need them as well

Niall

HDJ80 95
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Devon 4x4 had one left on Friday....
Pete
-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Jon Wildsmith
Sent: 28 May 2007 12:56
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Subject: RE: [ELCO] Bull Bars & Winch Bumpers Illegal
If not, sounds like
you can't buy the bumpers to connect them to anyway :-(
Best regards,
Jon.
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| Devon 4x4 had one left on Friday....
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These are the guys who did my CV joints, and fitted tyres at about 70%
of the price of Mr. Quik-Fit & friends.
I was very impressed by both their competence and their courtesy. They
clearly do a huge mail order business.
Christopher Bell
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Hi Niall,
The ARB steps that connect to the bull bar aren't strong enough to offer any
real protection. I have seen these in use - they are a bit stronger than the
factory side steps, but nowhere near as strong as the sliders offered by
WestMid4x4, Slee etc.. They also increase the width of the car, not a
problem in the Australian outback, but a definite disadvantage over here.
I have a pair of WestMid's sliders fitted and can confirm that they are
nicely made and very strong - gave one a damn good bashing on a Welsh rock
at the weekend and it held up fine. If you wanted to add your own bit of bar
to connect the slider to your front bar, you could use the front hi-lift
jacking point as an anchor. I don't think you'd gain much though, in fact
you might well find yourself hooked up on things you could otherwise have
brushed past...
All the best,
Toby
1990 HDJ80 UK
 
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Alright Toby

Re steps + wing protectors

When I got the ARB bumper fitted the main reason I didn't go for the "wings" was the extra width factor.

Jury's still out on the value a set of wings offer. U could be right on the nuisance factor.....

Cheers

Niallo
 
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