inner front shaft

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John
Just read this ... well done!! Hopefully this is the end of the
beginning.
I wish I'd been there to watch ...
Christopher Bell
Ps: I too got a manual Yaris when I took my LC to Toyota many years ago.
I stalled it about three times leaving the place, but then quite liked
it - apart from the road noise - for its handling.
| Well I was able to show them my wet ball and explain why and had
agreement
| from them.
| Then when I showed them my dry ball and explain why and had more
| agreement,
| I was on a roll.
| I then showed them my loose wheel/disc and I saw shock on their faces.
| I was then able to explain causes and possible death senario driving
it.
| The manager just said to the mechanic, strip it all, replace/order
what
| you
| think untill its 100% no matter what you have to do. We want no come
back
| on
| this.
| I found it really difficult to keep from jumping with joy and saying
,told
| you so you ----------- but I restrained myself.
| So the proof is in the pudding, third time lucky, but I still feel
uneasy
| getting them to do it again.
| I had to drive a manual Yaris for the day, O what a difference and no
way
| jose even after all my cursing at the cruiser would I want a Yaris.
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Well done John, I am glad that you went back to them and demanded satisfaction.
Whilst they may or may not have made a mess of things in the past they should bend over backwards to get it sorted, it really isn't worth them taking the risk.
Hopefully this time around they will go through the workshop manuals (now all online for dealers) and make sure they do the job properly.
Regards
Julian
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[Guest]

Hey Julian
What could I ask them inrelation to the fitting besides what they have
replaced.
cheers
john 92HDJ 80 1HDT

 

[Guest]

Hi John,
Yes, get a list of what they have replaced and also ask them the condition of the items they didn't replace, like halfshafts, bearings, etc.
If they are unsure of anything, get them to call me.
The key thing is to ensure that they do the hub nut up properly as per the manual - this will save you having to do it again at a later date.
Also make sure they put grease in the CV and wheel bearings, something that dealers seem to forget ;-)
Regards
Julian
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Hey Julian
Thanks a million for the offer and i know its a real genuine attempt to
reasure me.
But you really do have a good sense of humour, I cant imagine a Main Toyota
dealer who botched the job a few times to the point of being dangerious
phoning you up and admitting they dont know what they did or didn't do
something.
I would love to see it happen and then the orders being shouted to restrip
it all again as we have ------ up again.
O I do like to dream but it keeps me going sometimes.
Please correct me if im wrong, I dont think i am but its just id like it
confirmed.
Bearings are not suppossed to hold your wheel on are they, thats not their
purpose is it.
john 92HDJ 80 1HDT

 

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Hi John,
The bearings enable one item to rotate around another item - they don't hold the two together.
In the knuckles you have the Knuckle bearings at the top and bottom that allow the steering knuckle, hub, disk wheel etc to rotate around the ball at the end of the axle. The knuckle and bearings are held in place by spindles, one at the top and one at the bottom that are bolted to the knuckle.
The hub sits on the inner and outer wheel bearings that are held in place on the stub axle by the hub nuts - there is a specific procedure in the manual that ensures that the bearings bed in correctly and then the hub nuts are tightened properly - just tightening the hub nuts up without the bedding in procedure will either result in the bearings being too tight and wearing prematurely or coming loose within a few hundred miles more often than not causing wear on the stub axle.
Regards
Julian
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Julian
What is this proceedure for bedding in the bearings and is it the same for
all vehicles.
I did this with CruiserMike who used to be on the list a couple of years ago
but for the life of me I cant remember.
Was it to do with how freely the wheel rotated, not too much resistance but
just enough and tightening it then loosing it and then retightening and then
lock it all in place.
Ah but sure I know im missing a stage am I not.
You have to repeat these things or you forget or at least I do.
Stub axle now thats a thing I can ask them but what is it any pics.
I knew I was right about the bearings just for rotation so no way they would
have held for too long.
I really think that the caliper was holding the wheel and not letting it
move more than I could move it, but if the caliper was off I wonder.
I dont expect it back too soon after all their prority will be to polish
their new 2008 cars for a while.
Cheers
john 92HDJ 80 1HDT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Julian A.R. Voelcker" <[Email address removed]>
To: <[Email address removed]>
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 7:06 PM
Subject: RE: [ELCO] inner front shaft
Hi John,
The bearings enable one item to rotate around another item - they don't hold
the two together.
In the knuckles you have the Knuckle bearings at the top and bottom that
allow the steering knuckle, hub, disk wheel etc to rotate around the ball at
the end of the axle. The knuckle and bearings are held in place by
spindles, one at the top and one at the bottom that are bolted to the
knuckle.
The hub sits on the inner and outer wheel bearings that are held in place on
the stub axle by the hub nuts - there is a specific procedure in the manual
that ensures that the bearings bed in correctly and then the hub nuts are
tightened properly - just tightening the hub nuts up without the bedding in
procedure will either result in the bearings being too tight and wearing
prematurely or coming loose within a few hundred miles more often than not
causing wear on the stub axle.
Regards
Julian
Mobile +44 (0)7971 540 362

 

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John.
The svivel bearing do in essence hold the swivel hub and the bits mounted to it on. They sit in a captured bearing cone in the top and bottom of the swivel cage, the bearings are stopped from moving out of place by the plate on the top bolted on with 2 bolts and the steering bracket on the bottom, again held on with 2 bolts. When those 4 bolts are tight and the bearing is fine then the outward forces act against the whole bearing as well as that bearing allowing steering. What may have happened is that one of the bearings collapsed and in the shat it fits on is rattling around in the bearing cone. Small saft big hole =3D lots of movement allowed in and out. Hub shaft and wheel can come out complete at this time although would need to be when coming off a jump so that there was no weight on it which would effectively hold it in the swivel. Also steering bracket would need to come detatched for the shaft to be aalowed to come out completely as it is bolted to the hub.
Cheers
Andy Harvey
Cheltenham UK
From: "john byrne" <[Email address removed]>
Subject: Re: [ELCO] inner front shaft
Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 17:44:48 -0000
Reply-To: [Email address removed]
Hey Julian
Thanks a million for the offer and i know its a real genuine attempt to
reasure me.
But you really do have a good sense of humour, I cant imagine a Main Toyota
dealer who botched the job a few times to the point of being dangerious
phoning you up and admitting they dont know what they did or didn't do
something.
I would love to see it happen and then the orders being shouted to restrip
it all again as we have ------ up again.
O I do like to dream but it keeps me going sometimes.
Please correct me if im wrong, I dont think i am but its just id like it
confirmed.
Bearings are not suppossed to hold your wheel on are they, thats not their
purpose is it.
john 92HDJ 80 1HDT


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Oh John you are so luck you do not live in France!

 

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Hi Guys
Got the Cruiser back today.
They kept a lot of pieces for me to see what they had replaced.
O im glad I wasn't paying for all that.
A spindle sub-assy was needed at 283 e, what does it do, lots of other bits.
She feels fine apart from a little grinding sound at the front disc.
Jacked it up and it would only slightly grind at the disc I think.
Absolutly no play at 12 and 6
So can a disc make a slight grinding sound just at the caliper, too tight to
the pads or could the wheel be too tight and loosen up after a while so no
grinding.
The mechanic said he took it for a drive and then tightened up the bearings
a little afterwards.
Thanks for all the help guys really appreciated.
cheers
john 92HDJ 80 1HDT

 

[Guest]

Morning John,
Is the grinding noise be quite metalic? It could be a bent stone guard.
Best thing to do is take it back.
Regards,
Julian Voelcker
07971 540362
[Email address removed]

 

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Hey Julian
Brought it back and they said it was the heat shield that was a little bent
and they said they fixed it so we shall see.
thanks
john 92HDJ 80 1HDT

 

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Hi John,
That's not too serious then, your luck does seem to have taken a turn for
the better this year, let's hope it stays that way.
TTFN
Chas
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From: "john byrne" <[Email address removed]>
To: <[Email address removed]>
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: [ELCO] inner front shaft