Milner Parts Survey

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Hi,
Just out of interest, what are your experiences of Milner parts?
I've used them on a number of different 4x4s and find it is definitely
a case of you get what you pay for. Here is a quick summary of what I
have experienced and I would be interested to know if others here have
similar feedback.
Front Axle seal kit - overall good value for money, although the inner
axle seal isn't as flexible as the Toyota ones which I prefer to use so
I now have a box full of the Milner ones. The kit is a fraction of the
price of the Toyota one (by at least ?100!!)
They have recently changed the inner hub seal in the kit - the new one
isn't as good as the original Toyota one, but should be fine for the
front, although they also sell them for the rear axle where Toyota
sells a different one - still undecided if the differences are enough
to change.
CVs - OK, but am concerned with John B's experience with them - anyone
else here broken one?
Starter motors - these seem to be much smaller and lightweight and
don't appear to be as robust as the Toyota ones - I've fitted a couple
and one fitted a couple of months ago is already playing up due to
water ingress. Also there are the reported problems with the starter
sticking on and overheating. I won't fit them again.
Exhausts - they seem OK, but definitely up to the standard of the
Toyota ones, although a less crytical part so worth the risk.
Wheel and knuckle bearings - I don't see a problem with these - they
are bought direct from a reputed manufacturer so not too much of a
problem - if you had the dimensions you could get the same sort of
thing yourself from a local bearing company.
Brake pads - not a great fan - I don't think that you can cut corners
with things like brakes so always recommend the Toyota ones.
Brake disks - I fitted the Milner ones on my truck in March and the
braking is pretty poor even with Toyota pads. Drove another 80 over
the weekend with genuine disks and pads and it was miles better than
mine which concerns me. I'm not sure if the difference is that my
brake lines may be degrading and expanding under pressure, I'm going to
change them out to see if it makes much difference.
Poly Bush Kit - I have one on the shelf, but never got around to
fitting it - anyone here fitted one?
So what are your experiences?
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Skype: julianvoelcker
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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Hi,
That's sums it up.
In the past I bought some parts from Milner but luckily never had to
use them. They are destined form my emergency repairs chest, which
means they may never be used. Because they are cheap, it saves me a
few quid that way.
The non-OEM parts supplied by AAI in Holland are also cheaper than
Toyota (though not as much as Milner's) but at least they carry the
warranty from AAI and IMHO they are just very good. I've never had one
that would fail prematurely.
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Rgds,
Roman (London, UK)
'92 HDJ80 (auto)
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They've never had anything for me...
Best
Steve Ackhurst
FJ40 - only one in England with an MOT too
On 14/8/07 10:30, "Julian Voelcker" <[Email address removed]> wrote:
 
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Or me. (Although some 80 series axle parts are supposed to fit a 40)
PS - went into my local MOT station and asked how many FJ45's had an MOT -
they claim their system doesn't show them, or if it does they don't know
where - looks like I need to find more friendly MOT station / tester.
Malcolm Bagley
Stafford UK
FJ45 '75 & FJ45 '76 - Neither with an MOT :( - yet - :)
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Do AAI have a website?
Malcolm Bagley
Stafford UK
FJ45 '75 & FJ45 '76
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http://www.all-american.nl/index.html but very bad indeed!!!!!!!!!!!!!
cheers
Lubo
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Julian
Haven't had any Milner parts fail on me - but I've only used bearings
and seal kits.
Inner Hub seal kits have changed to plastic type and don't look great -
not going to use them again.
I was going top get a set of their CV's but not so sure now.
Their Brake Pads don't last as long as OEM. Fact.
Brake Discs - running Milners - no problems so far - but JB's seem to
have warped?
Thanks
Niall
HDJ80
 
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Hi Roman,
As far as I am aware the Milner stuff all carries a 1yr warranty and you
certainly can't fault their customer service.
I think the bottom line is with Milner is that most of their stuff is
fine for your average 4x4 driver, however if you want to do anything
more serious you need to be prepared to pay a little bit more.
What parts have you got from AAI that you have been happy with?
Am I right in thinking they can't accept CC over the phone or there was
something odd on the payments side?
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Skype: julianvoelcker
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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Hi Malcolm,
Do you actually need an MOT for those antiques? ;-) I thought anything
over 30 years or something didn't.
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Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Skype: julianvoelcker
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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If the MOT has been issued on DVLA's new computer system then it would
register. I think all MOT stations have to come in to line within the next
year, then the truth will out...therefore there may be one or two more
FJ40's but they might not be on the system yet...I hope not from the, I'm
the only one point of view, but hey!
Steve
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Humour I presume?
Best
Steve Ackhurst
On 14/8/07 12:30, "Julian Voelcker" <[Email address removed]> wrote:
 
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Thank you, when you wrote All American Imports - AAI makes sense. Now I
remember the website stilllllllllll in construction!!!!
Malcolm Bagley
Stafford UK
FJ45 '75 & FJ45 '76
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Julian,
Front Axle seal kit - As you say, it's fine except for the inner axle seal -
this needs to be Toyota. I haven't tried Milner's revised inner hub seals,
though previously both Milners and Toyota GB supplied a seal that was quite
different to the original fitment which incorporated an extra lip/dustguard.
CVs - I haven't broken a Milners CV yet, but I have broken a Toyota one -
the cage failed. In fairness it was pretty worn (clicking badly prior to
failure), and was being used with 36" tyres which is asking a lot.
Starter motors - not used one yet, if they are substantially different to
OEM then I'd probably try to get the original repaired.
Exhausts - not used one. I did buy a Toyota one for about =A3500 shortly after
getting my first 80 about seven years ago. It came with a three year
warranty and started to fall apart after three and a half years. The remains
have now been cut down and bodged in to an experimental side pipe.
Wheel and knuckle bearings - haven't had much luck with these since they
stopped supplying Koyo a few years ago and went over to an unbranded
version. Having said that I'm running big tyres and they see plenty of
serious off road use. Personally I'd get in touch with the local bearing
supplier and go for Timken, Koyo, SKF or another known brand. If ordering
knuckle bearings be sure to get the heavy duty version with 13 rollers.
Brake pads - not up to much at all. If Toyota ones are too pricey there are
some other options for the fronts - some manufacturers list '98 on Impreza
Turbo pads as being compatible. Some of these may not be ideal for the
weight of an 80 - I don't think Ian was over impressed with his EBC
Greenstuff pads for instance. The yanks are keen on fitting 100 series pads
to the front, though reports on the difference this makes are mixed.
Brake disks - I've used Milners without any apparent problems, though there
always seems plenty of room for improvement on Landcruiser brakes,
particularly if you go over 33" diameter tyres.
Poly Bush Kit - not used them.
In general, yes, you get what you pay for, though Milners do seem to keep
stock of most items and I've always received stuff promptly.
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Regards,
Toby,
1990 HDJ80 UK
 
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Hi Niall,
I will know more when I next strip my hub down, but I get the impression
that they do the job, but are a bit tighter than the Toyota ones and can
be a little trickier to bed in.
I'm wondering if that was an installation/bedding in problem - the usual
way to warp them is to over tighten them which is easily done if you
don't have the manual.
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Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Skype: julianvoelcker
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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That is the rule for Eire, I wish it was the case in the UK, although
perhaps not, 135HP 4.2litres of petrol engine with drums all round, perhaps
an MOT is a good idea!
They might be near antique but given production carried on until '83
(perhaps later) they are only 10 years removed from your 80 series in
production terms. Amazing when you consider the gap between an 40 and a 80
series in technology.
One of mine is very stock and I think the quality of the original Toyota
items on it can't be disputed. 30 years and the chrome on the door handles
is still good, door seals flexible, even foam on the heater flaps is spongy.
I had some door handles from the US to replace missing ones on the other
vehicle and the chrome looks like it will last all of three years.
Malcolm Bagley
Stafford UK
FJ45 '75 & FJ45 '76
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Julian, you are of course right but the conclusion to the statement is the
average 4x4 driver doesn't really need a 4x4, certainly not a Land Cruiser!
Use cheaper parts and design from the outset and you get a KIA Sorrento
thing?
Also it's probably the less experienced 4x4 drivers that will put the most
stress on the vehicle is they do go off road (yes that is self experience).
My issue with non OEM parts, is not so much the consumables brake disks etc,
more the parts you might expect to only buy a replacement of once in a
while. The quality can vary from as good as OEM to unusable and in the
package (or worse on the internet) they look exactly the same. Although
they are much cheaper than OEM the cost and time factor means I don't like
to take the risk, a poor disk that only lasts 15K is less of an issue.
Also with antique cars the non OEM suppliers often get things wrong.
Malcolm Bagley
Stafford UK
FJ45 '75 & FJ45 '76
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| Julian, you are of course right but the conclusion to the statement is the
| average 4x4 driver doesn't really need a 4x4, certainly not a Land Cruiser!
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| Use cheaper parts and design from the outset and you get a KIA Sorrento
| thing?
Now you're making me doubly depressed! Not only are my Milners CV joints (10k miles and no clonks yet) going to fail, but I should have bought a Kia instead of an 80 series. There was one here yesterday - yuk.
At =A3100 each from Milners vs =A3500 each from Toyota it was an easy enough decision for me - they've only got to do 30k miles and I've had my money's worth. It's got the proper Toyota seal kit though.
In an ideal world I'd spend more money on it, but with 4 kids, 1 wife, etc + a rapacious chancellor to feed I have to compromise.
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Julian,
I've bought almost everything from them - from filters to injection
pump to crankshaft. AFAIK they supply either OEM parts from the Toyota
depo in Belgium or non-OEM parts from Australia.
Payment transfer is the only problem but they are flexible.
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Rgds,
Roman (London, UK)
'92 HDJ80 (auto)
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I am surprised no one has looked to the US for axle parts. The rock
crawlers are good at testing them to destruction and have created a demand
for strong aftermarket parts, heat treated aftermarket (and OEM).
My concern would be they might be made more for strength than wear but I
have never seen any postings to that effect.
Longfields are listed as available for the FJ80 - suppose they would fit
other 80 series? 4 pieces for perhaps =A3500 sounds worth a go.
http://www.longfieldsuperaxles.com/
Malcolm Bagley
Stafford UK
FJ45 '75 & FJ45 '76
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I have been looking into chromoly birfields (CV's) and saw a posting on a US
site (might have been IH8MUD but not sure) that they are much stronger but
wear much faster. The figure quoted was about 20K miles.
Like Toby, I run 36" tyres and do a lot of off road stuff. My Milners CV
joints have been in about 6K miles and are starting to click.
Ian
96 HDJ80
 
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