eu in or out poll

[Brian S]

Burger, copied and pasted from a post I made on another forum, and this happens

 

[Pat]

I have always loved history.The British Empire fell not because idealistic thinking but because of American pressure
vis a vis John Foster Dulles U S Secretary of State the tool of the big corporations who wanted the UK markets in the colonies.It seemed to start with the Suez Canal war when the yanks put the pressure onBritain,France and Israel to pull out when they had the whole of the Middle East countries on the ropes,what an opportunity missed.Then the pressure was put on new prime minister Harold McMillan to free the African colonies,what a disaster that has turned out to be.Winds of change it was called,Bulldust. And then the UK joined the common market and it sure hurt the faithful colonies but there are a lot of us here who would much rathergoback to our close ties with Britain than be run by US money men.Pat

 

[hopeless wanderer]

In for me.

Everyone else is chucking in their opinion too so here goes.

Our own idea of democracy is a joke ! We export it worldwide yet we have a monarchy that meddles in politics far beyond just knocking on the door to open parliament.
Some of the same people who relish in this serfdom often also seem to object to "unelected tyrants in Brussels" without a hint of irony . For me democracy is like pregnancy... You either are or you are not.
As far as reasons to be in or out, In an increasingly competitive jobs market I would like my kids to have an opportunity to choose to work in any one of the member states rather than sit on a zero hours contract at a pie factory at the end of the lane.
Once we vote out (which will probably happen thanks to decades of media propaganda) My kids will recieve their Irish passports through their grandparents heritage to increase their opportunities for work.
The checks and balances offered by European laws including the much criticised "Human rights act" offer us far more protection than our own crooked legal system ever has.
The subsidies given by Europe are all that keeps our farming industry running.
Our pension crisis will only be averted by an increase in the workforce, we simply cannot supply the workforce without immigration. If you want to see what restrictive immigration does to an economy look to Japan http://www.economist.com/blogs/banyan/2014/03/japans-demography
Without seeming crass and being a bit too Basil Fawlty about it all. If thereis a nation who is going to be a little hesitant as regards to having large groups of immigrants of different ethnicity and culture increasing their population, lets face it its probably going to be Germany, Yet they are the most accomodating of all and the most powerful economy in Europe at the same time... Curious that.

 

[Chas]

Apparently Jean Claude Junker has said the UK leaving the EU could spark WW3 . I remember back in the 70's I think it was, during student riots, that the French population were horrified to find Frenchmen fighting in the streets of Paris.

I mean they managed to get through two World Wars without that happening.

 

[Brian S]

With regard to the farming community, the money the UK pays to the eu subsidises the other nations farmers, why not just have it all for our farmers, and let the French et al subsidise their own farmers
http://getbritainout.org/farmers-have-nothing-to-fear-from-brexit/

We pay in way more than we get back, by some considerable margin, ( I believe it's in the region of 20 million for every 55 million we pay in, and we pay 55 million a day, every day) why not just keep it here in the first place?

 

[Brian S]

Makes for interesting and uplifting reading, rather than the doom and gloom of Camoron.
Senior Politician's look forward to a Brexit as a big positive shake up,
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...volution-in-better-laws-officials-expect.html

 

[Shayne]

Somebody mentioned the Royal family's influence on British politics as if it were a bad thing , I am no crown supporter i'm Manx and as far as i'm concerned she is not even my queen , but as far as i can tell they are the only people involved with the running of this country (whether they are supposed to be or not) who actually have a interest which scopes beyond getting rich before they get voted out . Through scandal , war and financial crisis they cannot quit , they must stand firm and salvage what they can for their children and their children's children .

 

[Brian S]

Well, well, this is interesting, same guy as the link in my other post, now it seems he doesn't like /trust the eu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is-wgVzc7qw

 

[Shayne]

Powerful stuff and bang on the money i.m.o

 

[Brian S]

Trouble is Shayne, see what he's saying in the first link I posted, is he confused or me?

Your right though, bang on the money, can't see Camoron saying this, BoJo maybe

 

[chapel gate]

"We pay in way more than we get back, by some considerable margin, ( I believe it's in the region of 20 million for every 55 million we pay in, and we pay 55 million a day, every day) why not just keep it here in the first place?"


The trouble is that 20 mill we get back is bigged up as being provided by the eu, what a good job they are doing, etc etc.pure propaganda..

 

[Shayne]

I reckon he was fighting for his rights as a European when it dawned on him what being European actually means .

 

[Chas]

In or out? as I see it do we want to control our own borders, do we want to make our own laws, do we want to decide who we let in to our country, do we want to keep paying in millions for which we get less in return or do we let some faceless individuals in a foreign country decide for us?

 

[Shayne]

We are already in far deeper than that Chas Britain leaving the EU is a bit like Texas seeking independence from the United States of America , hence my earlier reference to the Roman Empire .

 

[Chas]

Rob, what defines 'we' is the UK, I thought it was the UK that this thread was all about.

 

[Shayne]

Apologies to Dave who's post i have stolen without permission because it gives a very real glimpse of Britain's future if you vote to remain in the EU

"There has always been quite a lackadaisical view from the public here about the wearing seat belts, and putting kiddies in the correct seat types/boosters, this despite the threat of quite heavy fines 300 euros (£230.00) per child for example. Last week a serious campaign has been started, and is aimed at enforcement of the belt and restraints legislation. It seems there are NO WARNINGS, and it will be an 'on the spot' fine.

If you are non resident, then the fine will be payable there and then. In the event you have no 'effectivo' (cash), they (Guardia Civil) in the past, used to escort you to an ATM for you to draw the money out. The last couple of years has seen the c/card readers mounted in the rear of cars to take the money immediately. In the event of non payment a worse case scenario can result in a night in the cells and your car confiscated until the debt is cleared!

Recently local police have been given additional powers, this means they too can now set up speed traps and then fine you again on the spot, these powers include giving fines for no belts etc. Other legislation means a copy of your passport/driving licence and so forth are no longer acceptable as forms of ID, non production of an original licence is an automatic 150 euro fine (about £115.00). The reason your original licence has to be with you is simple, so they can confiscate it and send it to the UK authorities to be endorsed!

I think I have mentioned in the past, the 'over the limit' maximum used to be 15 kph, it has been reduced to 8 kph, if you are seen speeding and regardless if you were stopped or not (number plate recognition here now), you could return home to a nice fine and a letter from DVLA"

 

[Rob Cowell]

Rob, what defines 'we' is the UK, I thought it was the UK that this thread was all about.

So why should I be concerned about that political entity above other political entities I live in? Such as the EU? Or Wales?

 

[Shayne]

Curious Rob , you asked "who is we" and the reply Chas offered denied what Viktor Orban desribes as "a different set of tools to force us into submission" and now the who is we post has gone ?

And your most recent question baffles me is its purpose distraction or diversion maybe ?

 

[Rob Cowell]

Curious Rob , you asked "who is we" and the reply Chas offered denied what Viktor Orban desribes as "a different set of tools to force us into submission" and now the who is we post has gone ?

And your most recent question baffles me is its purpose distraction or diversion maybe ?

I'm not sure I follow. Distract or divert from what?

I'm interested in why people think being a member, or not, of the EU is good thing. I haven't made my mind up. I think I need a reason to leave because the do nothing position is to stick with what I know, which for me isn't bad at all. I understand the concept of taxation and redistribution of wealth, because I pay far more tax than I receive in benefits, and I think this is a good thing. The fact that someone making some laws lives in Brussels rather than Westminster isn't a worry for me. I vote for representation in the body that makes those laws, just as I do for the laws made wholly in the UK. If it's just a case of, vote to leave because someone born in a different arbitrary region to me can influence them I'm happy I know which way to vote. Likewise, if continued membership of the EU leads to some hellish vision of federation where people have to abide by the speed limit and protect their children I'm not ready to rebel yet.

 

[Shayne]

About 20 years ago i was shocked when a mate asked me what all this eu stuff was about . I was shocked because he is a teacher of English who had by the age of 30 traveled extensively using his profession as a vehicle . I explained to him then that the third world war is being fought and won unopposed because nobody is dying as ink is the weapon .

If i met him now i would tell him Britain and the whole of Europe kneels to a mythical monster with a thousand heads and no ears .