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Guiness World Record Attempt

Tiny update.....................

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I started fitting the tube doors that I've designed and made.

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These will be getting covered with a thin alluminium skin as we need the space for sponsors stickers.

And this is the forklift motor that were hoping to use. I will need to remove the hydraulic pump off the end and fit a flange to it and then mate this to the transfercase input flange.

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These are the control boxes.

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Our auto electrician will bench test the motor and control boxes and when were happy their working I can mount the motor. :icon-cool:

Next job is to finish fitting the tube doors complete with alluminium skins and add a windscreen surround. Were also removing more excess weight like the heater matrix, clutch pedal and a few other small bits and pieces. Were also considering removing the entire braking system which would shed a load of weight, but we need to get the motor working first and drive it before deciding if we can remove all the brakes. We would probably remove all the brakes apart from the little drum handbrake mounted on the back of the transfercase. :think:
 
OK guys, firstly apologies for not updating sooner. :oops:

The project got put on hold for a few months as our mechanic was off for 8 weeks with a broken leg, meaning I had to do his job + any welding.

Anyway.........................

Its now back on track and things are progressing well. :thumbup:

We sent the electric motor to a local enginearing firm who removed the hydraulic pump from the end and machined up an adapter for it to bolt to a Suzuki prop shaft

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The shortest prop shaft I could find was a Sierra (SJ) front one.

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My next job was to mount the motor under the Zook.

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I bolted the prop shaft onto the transfercase.

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And positioned the electric motor in place and bolted the prop shaft to it.

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Next I needed to mount the electric motor securely to the chassis.

I made up 2 plates to pick up on the original engine mounts out of 6mm plate.

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As the engine mounts are different heights and in different positions front to back on the chassis it was difficult to measure and work everything out.

I cut a piece of angle to use as a straight edge.

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And used a sliding bevel to get the angles and measurement for the next piece.

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I cut a piece of 50mm angle and made sure it fitted snugly.

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And drilled and bolted it to the motor.

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I could then tack weld it in position.

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And then remove it be fully welded.

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Id also marked the excess metal that I could remove.

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Welded and trimmed.

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Bolted back in place.

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I needed to add another mount at the back of the motor next, this would be a bit more complicated than the front mount as I didnt have any nice big threaded holes to use on the output end of the motor.

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I used some cardboard to mock up what I wanted to make.

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I cut and bent some 3mm plate and for strength added a few folds.

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I cut and drilled some pieces of 4mm to attach this new mount to some other existing chassis mounts.

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And tack welded them in position.

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I cut and drilled some more 4mm steel.

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And bolted them onto the leaf spring mount.

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Tacked them in position.

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And removed the bracket to fully weld it.

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And bolted it back in place.

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We then connected 2 12v car batteries to the motor to give it 24v and tested it on the hoist!

The rear wheels turned beautifully at quite some speed. We then pushed the transfercase knob into 4wd and the fronts also turned beautifully! :dance:

The only issue we had was we couldnt get to motor to turn to spin the wheels forwards, it would only go in reverse. :doh:

I was super keen to take it for a test drive but my boss wasnt so keen at that point as we had no seats fitted and it obviously would only go in reverse.

I took it off the hoist and with the bonnet lifted it was a lot clearer to see how the motor was looking.

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Now I must point out that the rear motor mount isnt/wasnt finished at this stage. My plan is/was to have a bent/curved strap around the top of the motor, bolted to the bottom mount that I'd made. However we still wernt sure if this motor would be powerful enough so didnt want to go too far at this point.

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My next job was to mount some standard seats in it.

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The drivers seat mounts had been badly butchered by the previous owner to fit seats out of another car into it.

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Front mount repaired.

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Rear mount.

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Template.

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Captive nut.

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With front seats now mounted my boss said "f**k it lets take it for a spin"! :icon-twisted:

So with me sat in the passenger seat with 2 x 12v car batteries in the foot well and a pair of jump leads, and him sat in the drivers seat steering and braking we took it out on the road! :pray:

It drove beautifully and was very torquey, silent and pretty fast! :clap:

It was an absoloute hoot taking it out in broad daylight up and down the road, the looks we got were hilarious! :lol:

Now we knew it worked, all be it in reverse only we called in a German guy who is a retired electric forklift enginear and a wizard with electric forklifts by all accounts. He brought in some more bits and told us where to mount what, but more on that shortly.

Next I needed to put some skins on the tube doors as our sponsors need some real estate for all their stickers and logos.

First I made cardboard templates.

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I drew around this onto 2mm alluminium.

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Cut them out.

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And siliconed and riveted them on.

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Next my boss asked me to design and build a super light, simple front bumper.

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I bent some alluminium checkered plate.

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I cut and bent some end pieces.

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And welded them on.

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Ground down the welds.

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Made some mounting brackets.

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I cut out for the LED side lights/indicators.

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I sent it for powder coating.

When it came back.

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I got it fitted.

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I made a bracket.

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And mounted a sand flag (now a legal requriment in the desert due to all the dunes).

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I also changed the grill for one with its Suzuki badge still attached as our original grill was missing the badge.

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OK................

I mentioned the German wizard who is helping us with the electrics.

He wanted me to mount the 3 albright solenoids on the bulk head.

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So I made a bracket.

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Sprayed it silver and bolted it all on.

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Next I needed to mount the throttle controler, so I picked up a length of M6 all thread and rose joints.

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*This isnt the actual one we will use, this is just an old one but the new one will be identical.

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I enlarged the whole through the bulk head that the original throttle cable went through to allow me to pass the all thread through with a rose joint on, bolted to the throttle pedal.

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Attached a rose joint to the electric throttle controller.

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Cut the all thread to length.

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And bolted it in place.

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It worked perfectly!

No throttle.

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Full throttle.

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The wizard has taken the motor away and he will rebuild it and move the contacts on the motor to enable it be ru either way by switching polarity.

When I get back to OZ in a few weeks he will bring the motor back and we can re-mount it, with new albright solenoids and electric throttle controller and fit 8 Optima batteries and take it for a proper test run! :dance:

The plan is to put some trade plates on it, a sat nav in place to give us top speed and milage/trip. Then see how many laps of the block it will do with the fully charged batteries.

We can then work out how many k's we can drive without needing to charge and work out what might work best in terms of how long we drive for before we stop and let the solar panels re-charge the batteries.

We will also be taking to my bosses farm so we can test it off road up some steep hills. :thumbup:

Anyway........................

I'm hoping that writing update has cured my insomnia. :pray:

Night. :sleeping-sleep:
 
Brilliant Ben, super cool so far. The best of luck with the test runs :thumbup:

Shame about the double post, maybe Cris can edit that for you....:think:
 
Thanks Clive. :thumbup:

Didn't realise I'd double posted. :oops:

Deleted it now. :icon-wink:
 
Looking good, will it have a solar panel roof then ?
 
Thanks Andy. :thumbup:

Yes solar panels on the roof and bonnet and also pull out solar panels as well.

My boss mentioned having some that are like awnings mounted down each side which can be pulled out when were stationary. :icon-ugeek:

It might be that we drive for say 2 hours then stop for an hour and then do another 2 hours. Its all going to depend on how long the batteries last and how flat we decide to run them before re-charging.

The other thing to consider is how many batteries to run, there is space under the bonnet for maybe 8-10 Optimas and probably the same in the back but that would obviously be a lot of weight. So its finding the right balance between weight, run time and charge time. :think:
 
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Just airing thoughts on this Ben, and I have no idea of the weight of an Optima, but let's assume 10 of them weigh the same as an average person, the difference in the energy required (for example) to drive 2 people instead of 3 would be minimal in comparison with the extra power you would have to hand...:think:
 
I am very interested in your solar charging setup ie what panels and controller you will be using to charge that many batteries.

BTW I think Odyssey batteries will be better than the Optimas as you can get bigger batteries - up to 120ah.
 
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Just airing thoughts on this Ben, and I have no idea of the weight of an Optima, but let's assume 10 of them weigh the same as an average person, the difference in the energy required (for example) to drive 2 people instead of 3 would be minimal in comparison with the extra power you would have to hand...:eusa-think:

Yes good point Clive. :think:

We need to do a lot of experimenting to work out what will work best.

My boss has said all along that for this to go ahead we need to be able to travel atleast 100km per day. That way it will take 10 days, obviously the quicker we do it the better.

Were hoping that once we've set the world record, next year we can have a load more teams do it who will hopefully beat us and set a new record. :icon-smile:

I am very interested in your solar charging setup ie what panels and controller you will be using to charge that many batteries.

BTW I think Odyssey batteries will be better than the Optimas as you can get bigger batteries - up to 120ah.

Will post the pics and details as soon as it happens. :thumbup:

TBH it might well be Odyssey or even Exide. Exide are Piranha's trading partner and my manager worked for them for many years, so we have a very close working relationship with them. :think:

The batteries and solar panels should all be loaned to us for free hopefully. :pray:

My boss wants me to strip the little Suzuki down and re-spray it before the trip, which will be next winter now.

Also at the end of the trip it will be donated and put on display at one of the road houses, such as Birdsville. :icon-cool:
 
IMO it's better that you have more time Ben, you can do longer test runs and re-charge trials that way.

I know nothing about batteries, so some research on the optimum charging conditions may help in deciding whether you drive day and night, or split it so they rest during daylight panel charging. It may be more efficient to use as you charge, during the day.

It may also be beneficial to keep a couple of batteries out of the main circuit of the driving batteries, for auxiliary use, lighting and so forth. It's all a big unknown until you start doing the trials.

Exciting stuff! :thumbup:
 
Finally An Update...............

OK guys...........................

Firstly apologies its been so long since I've posted an update! :oops:

Lots has happened with the project since my last update.

We got all the batteries mounted and did some testing with the first motor but found it wasnt up to the job. :doh:

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So we got a much bigger, more powerful motor.

With that fitted the electric Suzuki went really really well!

We borrowed some trade plated and took it for a test run and found we had a range of about 15km running on just 4 Optima batteries.

My boss drove and I followed in the 60 with the car trailer.

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When the volts got too low, we stopped and trailered it back.

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We added another 4 batteries in the back, enclosed the motor in a box to try and keep the dust out and fitted a bonnet scoop with an electric fan mounted underneath to blow cold air onto the motor if and when it gets too hot.

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I temporarily installed some multi meters to monitor amps and voltage.

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We were then ready for some proper desert testing!

We left Melbourne early one morning for a 7 hour drive to Big Desert on the Vic/South Australia border.

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We arrived at the pub we would be staying at about lunch time.

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And then headed for the desert.

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We had 2 other vehicles with us, Stu the photographer and journalist for 4wd Australia magazine and his dad, and an old friend of my boss in his VW van that hes been all over Australia in.

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We took a wrong turn and had some fun getting all the vehicles through!

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Eventually we got to the sand dune we had driven all this way for! This is the biggest dune in this desert and I can confirm is a typical Simpson Desert dune.

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The car amazed us all by getting up the dune again and again and again! It did it very slowly and went against everything we as 4 wheel drivers know! Zero momentum and speed and effortless climbing in the soft sand! :icon-surprised: :clap: :dance:



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The motor did get a bit warm after about 8 dune climbs.

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But then the fan hadnt been mounted in the most efficient way, something I would fix now we knew the project was going to work and we could actually make it up the dune!

We brought some cones and measured out a kilometer and did some tests to see if it made much difference to the amps and voltage used, with one person in the car and then with 4 people in the car.

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From this we discovered that it made hardly any difference meaning we can comfortably add another 4 13" Optima batteries to the back and the extra 110kg wont have a negative affect on power usage!

We loaded it back onto the trailer and headed back to the pub.

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We stayed in some motel style rooms out the back of the pub and re-charged all the batteries over night.

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The next morning we headed back to the dune in the desert!

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View from the top of the dune.

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We wanted to test nice and early in the morning while the sand was still cold and slightly damp to see how much difference it made to traction and power usage, versus the hot afternoon sand of the previous day.

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I had to drive down very carefully with the lives of all these guys in my hands!

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We brought some slightly taller, more aggressive tyres with us to see what difference, if any they would make.

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Just to put this dune into perspective for you.........................

Stu couldnt quite get up to the top in his 70 series troopy! Despite having multiple attempts getting faster and faster with and without lockers!

Yet our little electric Suzuki did it every time even with 4/5 people on board!!!

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By 11am we were heading home!

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Not a bad few days away on full pay with all meals and evening beers provided! :dance:

Now we know/think this is going to work its all systems go!

The date has been set for July and I've been super busy redesigning and mounting the motor, adding another 4 batteries in the back and designing the mounts for all the solar panels and getting it ready for the re-spray I'm going to give it! :icon-cool:

Will try and get another update up over the next few days to show you where were up to!:thumbup:
 
nice job Ben! That little Suzy looks a hoot! All the best for the record attempt :)
 
Sorry - you're getting PAID to have this much fun?? Life is just not fair!!

Looks excellent. Next stop - rip a lithium battery pack out a Prius and try that :)
 
Good to see it works on the dunes.
Not needing to 'floor it' to climb the dunes will help conserve power.
Keep trying to talk the missus into an electric car but she's not keen.
 
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Thanks guys. :thumbup:

I'd love to build an electric Tuff Truck rock crawler! :icon-twisted:

With a motor mounted in each wheel, fully independent suspension and with only wires needed to power each wheel and no need for suspension articulation limiting diffs and prop shafts, I think it would be possible to have a ridiculous amount of wheel travel, combined with the instant torque from the motors it would be awesome! :icon-cool:
 
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Thanks guys. :thumbup:

I'd love to build an electric Tuff Truck rock crawler! :icon-twisted:

With a motor mounted in each wheel, fully independent suspension and with only wires needed to power each wheel and no need for suspension articulation limiting diffs and prop shafts, I think it would be possible to have a ridiculous amount of wheel travel, combined with the instant torque from the motors it would be awesome! :icon-cool:

Youd end up with a "chain-link" type rig (without the chains) with long enough radius arms you could get rediculous 2m height variance capability, between each wheel! :lol:

Are re all the batteries wired in parallel Ben, or will you keep some in reserve disconnected? I don't know the charging/discharge characteristics, whether having 2 sets with a change over would be better than all connected permanently, have you been able to check this out?

You will be discharging as you're charging, if running in the day with solar panels, but I don't see a problem in that.:think:

You could even have a road train of solar panels on lightweight skids on the sand :lol:
 
Lol show her a Tesla - soon change her mind ...


She didn't like driving one, think she's secretly a petrol head lol.
I had an i3 for a few days, she liked the car but didn't like driving it!
 
The batteries are wired up to give us 3 banks, each consisting of 4 batteries. I''m not sure whether my boss is going to use all the banks at the same time or not. :think:

I'm working on it all this week and we had a delivery of solar panels today and now have all the panels for the roof and bonnet. There will also be roll up flexible panels that will pull out of a sort of awning running along the edge of each side of the roof that will be pulled out when they stop in the middle of the day to re-charge. :icon-smile:

I forgot to mention before.........................

There will be 2 cars attempting this world record solar Simpson Desert crossing and the other car is being built by Mark French who is/was the guy behind Marks 4wd Adapters, which he started over 30 years ago and recently sold.

Mark is building a more expensive hi-tech car than us using all lithium batteries and top of the range new technology motors. He will still be using a Suzuki Sierra (SJ) as the base vehicle.

Mark came on the Big Desert trip with us and is the guy stood behind me in the pic below.

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The idea of this trip is that this year it will just be the 2 teams but next years they might have 10 or 20, all trying to beat the world record my boss and Mark will hopefully set this year.

The different tourist boards and Mount Dare and Birdsville are very keep to make this an annual event. :icon-biggrin:
 
OK.............

So up until we went to the desert for dune testing we still didn't know if this project was going to work as we still didn't know if our little electric Suzuki would climb soft sandy dunes. So the motor and batteries hadnt been mounted in an ideal way as we didn't want to invest too much time and money into a project that could fail.

So the motor had been mounted using bits of the mounts from the first motor which I'd adapted. Then my boss said he wanted a box around the motor to keep dust out, so that was hastily knocked together and fitted around the motor with a Suzuki air filter on the top which he was keen to use. Then he said oh we also need a fan to blow air into/onto the motor to cool it down so that was added under the bonnet with the ugly looking scoop.

So now we knew it was going to work I could design it properly, this is what I came up with...........................

After a lot of reasoning and negotiating I managed to convince my boss to let me cut up one of his gas cylinders.

Emptied the gas out and filled it with water to get the last bit out.

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And cut the middle out.

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I cut and welded a piece of 3mm sheet steel to one end, drilled some holes through it and bolted the motor in place. I also added an inspection hole to get to the terminals.

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Next I added a mount at the other end of the motor and added an electric fan.

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My boss was very insistent that we use Suzuki air filters as he has lots in stock, so I designed and built a mounting system for them.

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Next I pulled it all apart for painting and re-assembly which involved using locktite on all threads.

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Added some mounts to bolt it to the chassis and lifting points.

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Next I needed to mount 4 x 13" Optima's in the engine(motor) bay. I couldn't mount them in the same configuration as I did previously as we didn't want to interrupt airflow to/through the motor. We also wanted to keep as much weight off the drivers side as possible as it would obviously have the driver on that side.

Fortunately Optima's can be mounted anyway up.

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Decided to put the 3rd here.

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The rear batteries are all now in, 8 x 13" Optima's.

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Mounted the final battery in the front.

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We recently acquired 10 almost brand new Suzuki alloys and tyres from 2 brand new Jimny's I did a load of work on, these are perfect for this project.

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And now we know weight isnt as critical as first thought we've been able to re-fit a spare wheel.

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Now I've mounted the motor and fan properly in the sealed tube I could get rid of the hideous dented bonnet with scoop and re-fit the the original.

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I wanted to move the solenoids next.

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The wires were just long enough for me to spin them around and bolt them to 2 mounts I welded to the motor tune. The wiring will get fixed up soon by one of our auto electricians who will shorten and re-route some of the wires to tidy it all up a bit.

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This would give me clear access to the center section of bulk head, I can then build a duct to duct the hot air from the motor, through the bulk head and up through the vents below the windscreen.

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So jobs to do:

-Finish building the ducting to exit the hot air from the motor.

-Make a new prop shaft to run from the motor to the transferbox as the motor is now sitting further forwards.

-Mount 6 solar panels to the roof on an adjustable frame so that when stationary they can be tilted towards the sun for maximum efficiency and mount a single panel to the bonnet.

-Mount flexible panels to each side of the car to create 2 large pull out charging awnings for when the vehicle is stopped re-charging in the mid day sun.

-Re-spray the whole car in Ferrari yellow.

-Fit a lockrite in the rear end to help with traction as we found occasional the car becoming cross axled resulted in almost complete loss of traction. We've already replaced all the suspension from standard, which we ran on the desert test, to old man emu.

Then she should be ready. :thumbup:
 
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