landcruiser 80 vs discovery 2

[Dan W]

So someone posted this on ze Facebook, and it would appear that the discovery is performing better than the landcruiser. Is there a reason for this do you think? The only thing I could think was that the weight of the landcruiser was counting against it, but then again I thought the defender 2's were pretty weighty.

Linky: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeSJld1qwHI

 

[Shayne]

I would say a shorter wheel base is the answer , on the same day at different sections i'm sure the LC performed far better than the LR . Catch 22 i guess .

 

[Dan W]

Maybe so, there looks to be a couple of sections where the rear of the Cruiser is near the floor, maybe it was catching. Do the discoveries come with a full set of diff locks or have they been added?

 

[fast but dim]

That disco 2 was far from stock! (I'm guessing the 80 was modded too) I'm almost certain it had aftermarket lockers fitted judging by the wheelspin: early disco 2's had no centre diff lock - only traction control.

 

[grantw]

The disco seems to have more ground clearance for what ever reason.

 

[Philip A]

Having had and having several iterations of Toyota and Land Rover products, I must say that stock green oval badges do perform better than stock Toyotas off-road.

But the Toyotas get back all the time lost and then some when the LRs lay around, bonnet agape and with legs sticking from underneath, at the slightest excuse...

 

[Chris]

I'd like to have seen that run with LR going first. You can't wind back the clock, but that 80 did a fine job of cutting through the middle of the rut with its diff. Getting stuck on the diff is very common in ruts like that. The LR has a slightly different diff casing profile too - not by much, but if it were only an inch or so higher in the middle it makes a world of difference.

I spend as many weekends as I can in mud pits like that. I love it and whilst I do spend a lot of time pulling green ovals out, I never cease to be amazed at how good a standard Disco is. I don't know what it is, weight? That A frame rear end thing? Only a CD lock and they do fantastic things. Barely any of them fitted with winches, decent tyres or a proper lift, so there is always going to be a limit to them. That's when they radio me. If you took a Disco, did a proper job on it with lockers etc, it truly would be an awesome thing. But folks seem to buy them for £800 MOT failed, bring them on a trailer, wreck them in a weekend and break them for parts. It's criminal really. I have spent enough time in one to not like them at all. But if they're your thing, spend some money on it and come and pull me out for a change. If it will start of course.

 

[Paul_Humphreys]

I'd like to have seen that run with LR going first. You can't wind back the clock, but that 80 did a fine job of cutting through the middle of the rut with its diff. Getting stuck on the diff is very common in ruts like that. The LR has a slightly different diff casing profile too - not by much, but if it were only an inch or so higher in the middle it makes a world of difference.

Spot on Chris. The diffs in LRs (Bar for ones fitted with Salisbury axles) have smaller diffs. Again, it is always more difficult for the first one to get along a track.

Paul

 

[moggy1968]

That disco 2 was far from stock! (I'm guessing the 80 was modded too) I'm almost certain it had aftermarket lockers fitted judging by the wheelspin: early disco 2's had no centre diff lock - only traction control.

All Disco's have a centre diff lock, but no crossaxle diff locks. Without a centre diff they wouldn't go round corners and without a centre difflock one wheel spinning and your stuck. Traction control works across the rear axle, not between the front and rear axles

The reason disco's and 90's are so good out the box is axle articulation, ground clearance, ramp breakover, approach and departure angles. It's not a popular thing to say in some circles bu straight out of the box a 90 is the most capable 4x4 you can buy. Where they suffer against almost all the opposition is reliability. If you want to go on an expedition, take a landrover, if you want to come back again, take a Landcruiser.

 

[silvercruiser]

I'd like to have seen that run with LR going first. You can't wind back the clock, but that 80 did a fine job of cutting through the middle of the rut with its diff. Getting stuck on the diff is very common in ruts like that. The LR has a slightly different diff casing profile too - not by much, but if it were only an inch or so higher in the middle it makes a world of difference.

I spend as many weekends as I can in mud pits like that. I love it and whilst I do spend a lot of time pulling green ovals out, I never cease to be amazed at how good a standard Disco is. I don't know what it is, weight? That A frame rear end thing? Only a CD lock and they do fantastic things. Barely any of them fitted with winches, decent tyres or a proper lift, so there is always going to be a limit to them. That's when they radio me. If you took a Disco, did a proper job on it with lockers etc, it truly would be an awesome thing. But folks seem to buy them for £800 MOT failed, bring them on a trailer, wreck them in a weekend and break them for parts. It's criminal really. I have spent enough time in one to not like them at all. But if they're your thing, spend some money on it and come and pull me out for a change. If it will start of course.

Yep +2 on that. the 80 did do a fine job of planing the middle section off which then let the disco through. the disco driver also gave it a bit more welly from the Off

 

[Chris]

You are only stuck if you can't back out. Not getting through is frustrating but not stuck. They were tough conditions and for any vehicle to be able to move at all is quite some doing.

 

[Towpack]

All Disco's have a centre diff lock, but no crossaxle diff locks. Without a centre diff they wouldn't go round corners and without a centre difflock one wheel spinning and your stuck. Traction control works across the rear axle, not between the front and rear axles

The reason disco's and 90's are so good out the box is axle articulation, ground clearance, ramp breakover, approach and departure angles. It's not a popular thing to say in some circles bu straight out of the box a 90 is the most capable 4x4 you can buy. Where they suffer against almost all the opposition is reliability. If you want to go on an expedition, take a landrover, if you want to come back again, take a Landcruiser.

As already pointed out above, early D2's did NOT, in fact, have a working CDL, like the D1, until it was offered again in 2004. LR thought that TC and HDC made a CDL unnecessary.

 

[moggy1968]

As already pointed out above, early D2's did NOT, in fact, have a working CDL, like the D1, until it was offered again in 2004. LR thought that TC and HDC made a CDL unnecessary.

sorry, my mistake, I shall now go to the fridge for some ice cream to go with my homemade humble pie!

 

[Ian Rubie]

straight out of the box a 90 is the most capable 4x4 you can buy.

A very bold claim . . .

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151698189406805&l=2397266097140320602

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151698205536805&l=3780084743807326667

 

[Shayne]

seems like the defender paved the way for that old Mog

 

[Paul_Humphreys]

As already pointed out above, early D2's did NOT, in fact, have a working CDL, like the D1, until it was offered again in 2004. LR thought that TC and HDC made a CDL unnecessary.

Not quite, the very early ones did have a CDL. Then they stoped fitting it. Ashcrofts once did a kit for retro fitting it, but it depends on the gear box fitted.

 

[moggy1968]

A very bold claim . . .

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151698189406805&l=2397266097140320602

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151698205536805&l=3780084743807326667

assuming drivers of equal competence

I'm talking about vehicles in the same class of course, i.e. 'standard' roadgoing mass market 4x4s, not the sort of specialist vehicle a unimog is for example. I was going to say, the sort of vehicle you would take down Tesco, but then someone will produce a piccie of a mog at Tesco!

 

[grantw]

Ok I had to google that - tesco and unimog.

This came back - a lego uni mog. Awesome.

http://www.tesco.com/direct/lego-technic-unimog/215-0855.prd

 

[Towpack]

Not quite, the very early ones did have a CDL. Then they stoped fitting it. Ashcrofts once did a kit for retro fitting it, but it depends on the gear box fitted.

Yes, the very first versions had one but the linkage was left off so it wasn't a working DL. It was then removed altogether before being re-fitted in later models. The kit was probably the missing linkage.

 

[Dave_S]

All Disco's have a centre diff lock, but no crossaxle diff locks. Without a centre diff they wouldn't go round corners and without a centre difflock one wheel spinning and your stuck. Traction control works across the rear axle, not between the front and rear axles

The reason disco's and 90's are so good out the box is axle articulation, ground clearance, ramp breakover, approach and departure angles. It's not a popular thing to say in some circles bu straight out of the box a 90 is the most capable 4x4 you can buy. Where they suffer against almost all the opposition is reliability. If you want to go on an expedition, take a landrover, if you want to come back again, take a Landcruiser.

Seconded. 90s are very capable out of the box and sub £40K there's little to touch them. I've been froading more than 25 years in most makes and a 90 is still weapon of choice for bodging about in the UK. But for anything further afield its a different story.