Andy, I think that much of this detail is actually in the thread. It's a bit meandering I'll grant you. We're just debating whether to get down to the coast Friday night and cross over then, pushing no more than an hour on the opposite side or to stay over on this bank and get the 8.20 train as other has indicated on the Saturday. The route is sort of dictated by the camp sites suggested. So it's down through Germany, Austria and Hungary. I think we're currently favouring crossing Friday night, picking up the guys as they come past as it were. Other wise, coming down from where we live, the first day is Derbyshite to Folkstone which isn't exactly a heroic drive or a good use of a day's holiday.