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I always thought the HD landcruisers had a 25 year life expectancy design brief.
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The older models do seem to have a reputation for greater durability. Toyota certainly got their moneys worth out of the 1H series of engines. I guess the jury's still out on the BEB issue on the early turbo versions but the basic design served them well for almost 20 years in it's various guises. Simple engines with old, basic tech by today's standards which stands well with owners/DIY mechanics.
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yes.
i think you may of gathered where i stand on anything past the 80 series...
if i were in a position to buy a new 4x4, that for the average person, pretty much only basic servicing would be possible. it probable wouldnt be a toyota TBH.
in my early days of 80 ownership, before the vehicle cast its spell on me. i always thought the natural progression would be to "upgrade" to a 100 series then 200 series and so forth, but from what i have seen. no, im more than happy where i am at!
i think you may of gathered where i stand on anything past the 80 series...
if i were in a position to buy a new 4x4, that for the average person, pretty much only basic servicing would be possible. it probable wouldnt be a toyota TBH.
in my early days of 80 ownership, before the vehicle cast its spell on me. i always thought the natural progression would be to "upgrade" to a 100 series then 200 series and so forth, but from what i have seen. no, im more than happy where i am at!
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i think you are right GOK.
I would still buy a Toyota anything over a Ford.....
All current EV versions of vehicles from Ford are already on their second battery before they are released to the customer due to a known fault in the battery....
This means most Ford dealers currently are holding many more battery's than they should on every site and contravening fire regulations.... also the battery packs are delivered by big diesel powered trucks that can only carry a few at a time because of fire regs ....and then another truck is sent to pick up the failed packs.... the carbon footprint of all this extra work is not taken into account at any time in the calculation of the vehicles carbon footprint ....
I think the 80 did indeed have a 25 year or 500k mile design life..... mostly as a result of the 60 series and it's ability to rust even in a dry climate.... something that Toyota haven't repeated because it's not good business to make vehicles that only need replacing every 25 years..... the HD 79 series is as close as you can get now and Toyota are very careful which market they allow them into....
As for the ability of the Chinese to make things of quality..... they can but they only do it for the first run of production then look for ways of making it cheaper.....most manufacturers face a constant battle to keep the production to design spec and quality..... time to pay a little more and stop accepting shoddy Chinese rubbish forced on us by bean counters
All current EV versions of vehicles from Ford are already on their second battery before they are released to the customer due to a known fault in the battery....
This means most Ford dealers currently are holding many more battery's than they should on every site and contravening fire regulations.... also the battery packs are delivered by big diesel powered trucks that can only carry a few at a time because of fire regs ....and then another truck is sent to pick up the failed packs.... the carbon footprint of all this extra work is not taken into account at any time in the calculation of the vehicles carbon footprint ....
I think the 80 did indeed have a 25 year or 500k mile design life..... mostly as a result of the 60 series and it's ability to rust even in a dry climate.... something that Toyota haven't repeated because it's not good business to make vehicles that only need replacing every 25 years..... the HD 79 series is as close as you can get now and Toyota are very careful which market they allow them into....
As for the ability of the Chinese to make things of quality..... they can but they only do it for the first run of production then look for ways of making it cheaper.....most manufacturers face a constant battle to keep the production to design spec and quality..... time to pay a little more and stop accepting shoddy Chinese rubbish forced on us by bean counters
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Is this for duplicate products or does the quality of original parts as well?
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@Grimbo to be fair to ford, head into the backwaters in the USA and you will find a lot of ford's at 250k+ miles, and the odd 500k+ milers. Again going back to @chapel gate point about simpler, more durable, easier maintained vehicles from the last century.
There must be millions of the early f150's from pre 1996 still on the roads, and unless regulation drives them off, I suspect that many of these will stay around for a bit.
There must be millions of the early f150's from pre 1996 still on the roads, and unless regulation drives them off, I suspect that many of these will stay around for a bit.
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Regulations are rarely retrospective. I can't think of one car that's been banned apart from city centre emission standards but that's just local.
"@Grimbo to be fair to ford, head into the backwaters in the USA and you will find a lot of ford's at 250k+ miles, and the odd 500k+ milers. Again going back to @chapel gate point about simpler, more durable, easier maintained vehicles from the last century.
There must be millions of the early f150's from pre 1996 still on the roads, and unless regulation drives them off, I suspect that many of these will stay around for a bit."
Totally agree ,
Ford used to make good simple vehicles....we used to rally Mk2 Escorts and used the running gear in RWD Mk 3 & 4 converted body shells when most of the Mk 2 shells got rusty and tiered....
Tech is what will kill all modern vehicles..... the electronics are often obsolete as far as parts back up is concerned after 10 years...
There must be millions of the early f150's from pre 1996 still on the roads, and unless regulation drives them off, I suspect that many of these will stay around for a bit."
Totally agree ,
Ford used to make good simple vehicles....we used to rally Mk2 Escorts and used the running gear in RWD Mk 3 & 4 converted body shells when most of the Mk 2 shells got rusty and tiered....
Tech is what will kill all modern vehicles..... the electronics are often obsolete as far as parts back up is concerned after 10 years...
Interesting comparison today......
The site I was working on has a company that do hostile environment training for NGO's etc ..... they use a mix of LWB Colorado's and 120's that get driven around the often muddy site on tracks and gravel roads with minimum care and attention..... never washed off underneath .... none of them are now used on public roads.
l looked under 2 Collies and 2 120's and I know it's not a scientific sample but both Collies had much less rust on both chassis and axles etc despite being older.... all the vehicles are purchased S/H so are probably fair examples.... despite many minor scratches and scrapes from ambush drills etc the bodywork on all of them is pretty good considering....
The LC's have outlasted a couple of GR Patrols ( body rust killed them ) and a smaller Nissan 4x4 SUV that I can't remember the model name of.....
The site I was working on has a company that do hostile environment training for NGO's etc ..... they use a mix of LWB Colorado's and 120's that get driven around the often muddy site on tracks and gravel roads with minimum care and attention..... never washed off underneath .... none of them are now used on public roads.
l looked under 2 Collies and 2 120's and I know it's not a scientific sample but both Collies had much less rust on both chassis and axles etc despite being older.... all the vehicles are purchased S/H so are probably fair examples.... despite many minor scratches and scrapes from ambush drills etc the bodywork on all of them is pretty good considering....
The LC's have outlasted a couple of GR Patrols ( body rust killed them ) and a smaller Nissan 4x4 SUV that I can't remember the model name of.....
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Agree with Mike, Re- What would you buy New if you could ?.. Same with me it would definitely Not be Toyota.... In fact there is Nothing out there that appeals.. The Missus and i went round Toyota to look at a new car for Her,.... After 10 mins we were back in the Truck. There was absolutely 'Nowt' That stood out. But to be fair it was the same at all the other Dealers... I think it was at the Audi Dealer, Where i said for the first time... "Mmmm! i Like that" I think it was some sporty looking A3.. Maybe its an age thing, I was at the local Honda Motorcycle dealer in Kent, They have a Cafe and all the Bikers meet there,... With row's and row's of new Africa Twins..... And all i did was Stand Drooling over some guy's 1979 XT 500... Sorry gone a bit off Topic..........And Toyota's Loyalty to their Older vehicle owners is woeful, £140 for a Frigging Badge...... I still cant get over that!...
We have three Toyotas in the household currently, and apart from the LC they've all had recalls. In some cases not small stuff - Toyota had my GT86 for a week to change the valve springs, a full engine out heads off job. It also had to have part of the front window framing replaced due to rust at less than 5 years old which is pretty bad (and luckily under warranty as I think they're about £500 a pop).
Seems to just be the way they are now, build a car with most of the flaws ironed out then just recall for the rest. Maybe it works out cheaper than building then right in the first place?
Seems to just be the way they are now, build a car with most of the flaws ironed out then just recall for the rest. Maybe it works out cheaper than building then right in the first place?
Design flaw I think - it's where the painted vertical framing passes under the horizontal window sealing rubber. The rubber wears the paint away and then it rusts.
That said, strictly it's not made by Toyota, it's a Subaru, even the Toyota badges have Subaru stamped on the back.
That said, strictly it's not made by Toyota, it's a Subaru, even the Toyota badges have Subaru stamped on the back.
